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Gay unions accepted as routine in cultures for centuries
Salt Lake City Tribune ^ | Feb 29, 2004 | Will Bagley

Posted on 03/01/2004 12:46:27 PM PST by george wythe

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To: george wythe
Wow, the SLC Tribune got to kill three birds with one stone, - Attack Christian values, promote gay marriage, and bash Mormons. The editor must have given this writer an efficiency award. If only he could have worked some radical environmentalism or Bush-bashing into the article...
41 posted on 03/01/2004 1:38:42 PM PST by azcap
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To: george wythe
Actually, a simple majority in each of 2/3 of the state legislatures can call a new constitutional convention. Anybody know the number of states GWB carried as compared to Al Gore in 2000?

Wouldn't that get things into an uproar!

BTW, there is a much faster route for dealing with these threats. Each of the legislatures and Congress can impeach and remove judges for "hich crimes and misdemeanors."

Frankly, I can think of no higher crime for a judge than to abuse his power to promote his political philosophy.
42 posted on 03/01/2004 1:39:01 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
"High," not "hich."

Sorry.
43 posted on 03/01/2004 1:40:51 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
there is a much faster route for dealing with these threats. Each of the legislatures and Congress can impeach and remove judges for "hich crimes and misdemeanors

We are in 100% agreement on this. Too bad the majority of people don't care.

Last weekend, I had dinner with several married couples. When the gay marriage issue popped up, everyone was against it. Nevertheless, the majority were supportive of allowing gay unions and against amending the US Constitution.

So unless we change the makeup of the SCOTUS, I don't see any groundswell for amending the US Constitution every time the SCOTUS hands down an activist ruling.

44 posted on 03/01/2004 1:45:31 PM PST by george wythe
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To: OhhTee5
It just doesn't make sense. Additionally, there have been numerous anthropology studies where some animals and birds have formed homosexual relationships. How could they "choose" that?

The issue at hand is whether marriage as a social and legal construct is based on love or on rights of succession.

If it be love, then it is about recreation, not procreation and should be redefined prior to being changed.

Personally, I don't care where anybody places his turgid member as long as it is tasteful.

45 posted on 03/01/2004 1:45:46 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Angelus Errare
It is like being caught in a current while lazily swimming along in calm waters.
46 posted on 03/01/2004 1:47:08 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: george wythe
I dont trust the source of that article
If I remember correctly the majorty of tribes held such people in contempt as being neither warriors or women, of cource saying that today is not PC
47 posted on 03/01/2004 1:54:49 PM PST by Charlespg
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To: Charlespg
I dont trust the source of that article If I remember correctly the majorty of tribes held such people in contempt as being neither warriors or women, of cource saying that today is not PC

If you find an article supporting your recollection, please post it.

We're here to learn, so different viewpoints are not only welcome but necessary.

Questioning the media is good.

48 posted on 03/01/2004 2:01:37 PM PST by george wythe
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To: george wythe
INTREP - SOCIOLOGY - MARRIAGE - POLYGAMY vs SODOMY
49 posted on 03/01/2004 2:09:27 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping - Bring Your Own Barf Bag.

A homo-promoter re-writes history. It says he is happily married, I wonder to what??

Let me know if you want on or off this ping list.
50 posted on 03/01/2004 2:09:29 PM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: OhhTee5
You state:

In my opinion, I have seen way to much suffering from homosexuals to believe it's a choice. Why would someone choose a homosexual lifestyle, knowing the incredible array of problems facing them

This is a very tired argument, used by the homosexual activists themselves.

Just because you have sympathy for homosexuals you have known doesn't make your opinion valid.

Just check the Categorical Index of Links in post #24 and read about what experts who have studied homosexuality without pro-homosexual bias have found.

51 posted on 03/01/2004 2:15:56 PM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: MEGoody
Your commments were so precise, concise, and truthful I have to repeat them:

Bestiality has been going on since the beginning.

Pedophilia has been going on since the beginning.

Rape has been going on since the beginning.

Murder has been going on since the beginning.

Just because people have chosen to be perverted and hateful since the beginning doesn't mean we should legalize it.

52 posted on 03/01/2004 2:19:14 PM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: george wythe
That's because the problem is not the Constitution, the problem is judicial activism. This current debate has simply highlighted the problems inherent with how screwy the courts have gotten and the impotence of the general population to stop them.

All the same, I think Stanley Kurtz is correct in his assessment that allowing them to succeed in this regard would be akin to dumping blood in a shark tank as far as our would-be social engineers are concerned.
53 posted on 03/01/2004 2:24:22 PM PST by Angelus Errare
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To: Michael.SF.
Winkte?
I don't think one needs to be a Lakota Sioux to understand that that term sounds pretty gay."

Perhaps, but insoding we might've unwittingly stumbled onto the original root of another well used word in the english lexicon.

..."twinke."

54 posted on 03/01/2004 2:25:32 PM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: george wythe
Historian Will Bagley is a liar, if he titled this article.

He cites an anecdote of ONE, count 'em ONE Indian tribe who supposedly had men marrying men. That's a far cry from "Gay unions accepted as routine in cultures for centuries."

Scumbag with a cause to push.
55 posted on 03/01/2004 2:27:28 PM PST by jimt
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To: Angelus Errare
This current debate has simply highlighted the problems inherent with how screwy the courts have gotten and the impotence of the general population to stop them.

There simply must be a solution to the dictatorial courts. We're not supposed to be a country ruled by czars and committees called "courts". We're a republic, and the citizens must activly fight to maintain our sovereinty.

The only solution is to quickly start impeaching judges. And if legislators won't do the job, then we must make that fact an issue of future elections and get someone in the State Legislatures and Congress who will take back control of the country to the elected bodies.

56 posted on 03/01/2004 2:29:41 PM PST by narby (Who would Osama vote for???)
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To: george wythe
The News argued that polygamous marriage "prevails all over the world, and those who pretend to the contrary are very simple or very untruthful."

"And this is the same as same-sex marriages", the News continued. /sarcasm

57 posted on 03/01/2004 2:33:30 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: george wythe
I want to puke.
58 posted on 03/01/2004 2:36:03 PM PST by gedeon3
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To: justshutupandtakeit
thanks - you saved me the effort of digging up those references.
59 posted on 03/01/2004 2:48:11 PM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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To: whereasandsoforth
"You mean after all this time we now know it wasn't the white man's fault! The Indians screwed themselves?"

LOL! Sounds that way pilgrim. This may answer the question we long have asked: What does Kemosabe and Tonto mean?

Yacta Hey!
60 posted on 03/01/2004 2:50:15 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell
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