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Yesterday, another article indicated that there was a 30% drop in native born applications to graduate school in computer science. Yup, no problem with free trade here.
1 posted on 03/02/2004 3:55:49 AM PST by ZeitgeistSurfer
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Yesterday, another article indicated that there was a 30% drop in native born applications to graduate school in computer science. Yup, no problem with free trade here.

YYYYAAAAAYYYYYY TEAM! We're becoming a second-rate technological innovator! YAAAYYYYY! Free Trade is the answer to (all of the rest of the world's) problems! America will finally be humiliated and made into a third-world country! YAAAAAYYYYYY TEAM!

Boy, that GW Bush is the best thing that ever could have happened to America, huh? Now if we can only get a few more H1-B's over here, export a little more technology, and coax a few more illegal aliens to come here, then we'll finally be there!

2 posted on 03/02/2004 4:01:10 AM PST by Lazamataz (Dangerously is the Sahara dust.)
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
We used to generate federal funds from tariffs. (Remember the Constitution?) But now we have the good ol' income tax. When's the last time you heard a relevant political debate over tariffs? Higher tariff levels would protect us from this type of hemorrhaging job loss.

The dark creeps that forged the Fed (Morgan, Rockefeller, et al) really screwed us a hundred years ago, and nobody even knows it.
5 posted on 03/02/2004 4:27:46 AM PST by ovrtaxt ( http://www.fairtax.org ** G-d may not be a Republican, but Satan is definitely a Democrat!)
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I was listening to Boston radio talk show host Jay Sevrin on WTKK, 96.9 FM, and he mentioned that when you have x-rays taken at a hospital or doctor's office, quite often, the results are sent digitally to India for review by specialists who then send theie prognosis to your doctor.

If this is true, could this be illegal (assuming the Indian doctors areen't licensed to practice medicine in the US)?

I know that I'll be asking questions the next time I have x-rays taken.

6 posted on 03/02/2004 4:28:09 AM PST by Living Free in NH
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer; Lazamataz
It ain't just IT anymore. Wall Street has begun outsourcing financial analyst jobs to India. Wonder if those guys still think its worth a few upticks on the exchange.
17 posted on 03/02/2004 5:11:54 AM PST by Wolfie
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They have the R&D expertise, they have the marketing expertise, they've got the manufacturing expertise. Tell me again why they need $50 mill a year exectutives to tell them what to do?
18 posted on 03/02/2004 5:49:42 AM PST by DManA
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
I was the only Caucasian who bothered signing up for a computer networking class at Chico State in the spring of 1991. Now some of the same “patriots” who considered x25 protocol too tedious too learn are rationalizing why they should be able to tell me who I can trade with.

(Of course there was not a word from them when Intel built plants in Ireland in the early 90s)

23 posted on 03/02/2004 6:07:02 AM PST by elfman2
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Free trade is killing the middle class. I talked to a programmer last night, he has been in IT for over 15 years and hae says he has never seen the job market this bad before.
28 posted on 03/02/2004 6:32:24 AM PST by TXBSAFH (KILL-9 needs no justification.)
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Still, some IT development work can be done only in the U.S., said Richard Brown, associate vice president of marketing at Via Technologies Inc. in Taipei, Taiwan. For example, the design and development of Via's PC chip-set products is done in Taiwan, but the company's CPU and graphics-chips products are designed by teams in the U.S., reflecting the dominance of the U.S. in those product areas, he said

Why?

39 posted on 03/02/2004 7:28:30 AM PST by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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Time to open my restaurant in Kazan.
48 posted on 03/02/2004 10:06:21 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you must; perform without fail that what you resolve.)
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"R&D is core to most companies. They guard it carefully..."

Apparently not too carefully if they outsouce it
49 posted on 03/02/2004 10:10:54 AM PST by moonman
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They are just realizing this now? You cannot retain R&D for an industry you don't have. Its like saying the US is the leader in R&D for the consumer electronics industry; nonsense, Japan and Asia have the industry, they have the R&D.

Of course people are bailing out of college education in this field. Who wouldn't? Its going to fall further, much further, as techies in industry now (or who have lost their jobs) steer their own college bound children into other fields because they see what is going on. Law school applicants are piling up, the tort laws are going to have to become even more lax to fund the salaries of the millions of new lawyers we are producing.

The free trader freepers continue to put their heads in the sand, as does the Bush economic team. The US leading exports after aircrafts are all farm products (unless you count jobs exports), free trade and globalism have turned our export business into a pre industrial revolution model.

The WTO was formed to shift the economic balance of power away from the US, and its working. And too many conservatives are happy to see it occur if it means they can get a $10 shirt or a $39 DVD player.
52 posted on 03/02/2004 10:28:24 AM PST by oceanview
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and this also outght to put an end to all the people here saying the the "new businesses" would create new US jobs in the new fields. The VC money is taking these new enterprises offshore from the start, just like we said they were doing.
53 posted on 03/02/2004 10:30:59 AM PST by oceanview
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Yes but there's no cause for concern, outsourcing is a sign of a healthy economy. Those displaced by more efficient workers overseas can retrain and look forward to rewarding careers as pool cleaners, lawn care and hospitality workers.
59 posted on 03/02/2004 11:11:39 AM PST by fso301
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Send all the lowly jobs overseas so every American can raise their standard of living to CEO status...The sooner the better...I can't wait!
66 posted on 03/02/2004 6:01:11 PM PST by lewislynn (The successful globalist employee will be the best educated, working for the lowest possible wage.)
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Color me shocked...
84 posted on 03/03/2004 8:06:18 AM PST by null and void (Pay no attention to the 1's and 0's behind the voting booth curtain, and they'll return the favor...)
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bump
104 posted on 03/03/2004 6:44:51 PM PST by VOA
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If we can't work for a living then we'll be sure to vote for a living.


BUMP

115 posted on 03/04/2004 7:29:12 AM PST by tm22721 (May the UN rest in peace)
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This article is proof positive that the CEOs of these corporations have been trumped. They kid no one: they are completely leveraged on H1-B workers and foreigners to make decisions on what to develop and where to develop it. How genuine is this:  Krishna Bharat, a former H1-B visa holder from India I suspect and Google's principal scientist, recommends sending all the R&D and technology jobs for Google to where -INDIA, surprise, surprise, surprise? I'll bet if one were to analyze the make up of the major decision loops in these pro-outsourcing companies he/she would find a preponderance of H1-B and other like individuals in them. No CEO or analyst with more than a half wit would recommend sending such valuable work overseas. I doubt they are really saving any money, yet there are significant risks with such decisions that they never talk about.
127 posted on 03/04/2004 11:01:47 AM PST by Chief_Joe (From where the sun now sits, I will fight on -FOREVER!)
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Wasn't more than a couple months ago in another tirade about American students not studying the hard stuff in college such as engineering, science, and math that someone said such talk was tiresome. Well, this is the result. New patents used to be predominantly American. It's no longer that way. Science used to be predominantly American. It's no longer that way. If American culture was dominant in the world it was because of science and technology. That edge is no longer there. There is one way to recover the edge and that is to stop thinking about jobs and start thinking about business.
130 posted on 03/04/2004 11:54:28 AM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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Free trade is not really the problem. The problem comes from over paying unions and tax structures from free wheeling Liberal Democrats.
They go to bed and wake up thinking about raising another tax or creating another government job.The liberals will eventually get what they want when they control the U. S. Supreme Court and call the shots. Then America will be on sound footing as a Socialist country to which the liberals aspire.
I am beginning to believe that liberalism is a virus the way it spreads in America.
181 posted on 03/06/2004 8:27:23 AM PST by gunnedah
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