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To: elfman2
If you believe those number games, than I got some swampland that you will love to buy. Low-paying self-employment are hiding how bad it is.

I would not be suprised if in ten years that ALL jobs were outsoucred, except flipping burgers with illegal immgrants will have.

138 posted on 03/04/2004 7:08:03 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup
ALL jobs will not be outsourced -- for the simple reason that people would prefer to have someone on hand, in person. That isn't going to change. Outsourcing can work for the indirect ones. Furthermore, in India, which IS a democracy, wages are rising. Yes, in the short term it may hurt, but in the long term they will be at the same level as us. We've had it great for decades because 2.5 billion were trapped by communism and socialism. Now they're reforming so there will be inevitable growing pains. IF you put some of our ancestors who migrated here in the same position, they wouldn'tbe asking for handouts, they'd knuckle down and get the job done. As every society gets richer, it gets complacent -- we haven't gone too far and the indians nad CHinese have given us a wake up call, so we won't go the way of the Romans or even the Brits. the US will be a major power in this century, but it is inevitable that India and China would be powers at slightly lower, but still high levels. The British and French will decay -- the EU will survive and for all of those anti-EU nuts here who say no, such a diverse group won't survive, forget that the current nation states themselves were formed of diverse states in the middle ages -- take England (forget about the UK, just England), until 800 it was still a bunch of kingdoms with varying dialects. Inn fact, until Georgian times, Yorkshiremen would consider themselves quite different from, say, Cockneys. bUt htey all considered themselves part of a larger entity -- Englishmen. In the Early Middle ages, Wessex men, Essex men, cornishmen etc. all considered themselve part ot the vast entity called Christendom. Larger nation-states IS the future, it is inevitable, but they should maintain a degree of federalism as we do here in the states and as Spain does.
140 posted on 03/05/2004 12:48:11 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
"If you believe those number games, than I got some swampland that you will love to buy. Low-paying self-employment are hiding how bad it is."

1) The self-employed are not calculated into the 2.6 million jobs lost since 2000. 1.7 million are said to be a consequence of 9/11. The rest in my opinion are a product of the internet bubble bursting, not outsourcing. That figure is a survey of employers, asking them how many people are on their payrolls. Then there’s a household survey, asking people if they’re working. That reports that about 500,000 jobs have been created since 2000. That number includes those “low paying” self-employed.

2) If the numbers were wrong, they could be proven wrong. And our political opposition would nail us on it. (If not the Democrats, the Greens or the Libertarians) Here in the Florida Keys, it’s nearly impossible to find a good contractor. Everyone who’s occasionally sober works. But it’s not a magnet for depressed areas because housing prices are too high to buy something more than a trailer on a $70k salary. The numbers are right, but if you listen to enough losers and Democrats, you’ll buy their swampland.

141 posted on 03/05/2004 4:24:39 AM PST by elfman2
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