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To: jpsb
"What is unfortunate is that yall are going to make everyone suffer while yall persue a marxist utopean"

That’s nonsense. You’re promoting big government intervention and micromanagement of my freedom to trade with who I want. That’s early Marxism. I’m resisting. That’s capitalism, freedom, liberty, America.

Whether any significant jobs actually moved from pre-civil war North to South or if they mostly grew up where the labor market was most appropriate for them is irrelevant. It’s still much like today’s America/Asia labor gap, with cheap labor in one area, expensive in another and no tariffs in-between. Yet the North thrived. How could that be?

If Asia’s now going to drive wage down to poverty levels, how come it didn’t happen in the North in the 19th century? How’d they prosper despite ultra cheap labor just an 4 hour train ride away?

I’d tell you, but you’d probably just call me a Marxist again for promoting capitalist values and freedom. Probably compare me to Stalin (a protectionist) again. Even my 86yo mother suffering from Alzheimer’s can still think past that one. You appear more senile than her.

162 posted on 03/05/2004 2:27:24 PM PST by elfman2
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To: elfman2; jpsb
Whether any significant jobs actually moved from pre-civil war North to South or if they mostly grew up where the labor market was most appropriate for them is irrelevant.

It was the central "relevant" point in your previous post, now it is irrelevant. So which is it?

It’s still much like today’s America/Asia labor gap, with cheap labor in one area, expensive in another and no tariffs in-between. Yet the North thrived. How could that be?

The North did not have expensive labor. Every educated person knows that. It had a huge population of immigrants from Ireland and Eastern Europe crammed into slums in the major cities of the North. The North had a manufacturing economy, the South an agricultural economy. Today, Asia has a manufacturing economy, the primary exports of the US are agricultural products.

165 posted on 03/05/2004 2:47:49 PM PST by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head
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To: elfman2
["That’s nonsense. You’re promoting big government intervention and micromanagement of my freedom to trade with who I want. That’s early Marxism. I’m resisting. That’s capitalism, freedom, liberty, America."]

Oh really? let's ask Marx himself and see which system he considers conservative shall we?

But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.Karl Marx, 1848

Wrong again huh? Yall free trader really need to study up a little.

[It’s still much like today’s America/Asia labor gap, with cheap labor in one area, expensive in another and no tariffs in-between. Yet the North thrived. How could that be?]

I have already explained that to you, but you refuse to listen, one more time, the northern workers DID NOT COMPETE with the slave labor of the south. The north had a moral objection to slaves and slave labor so the north refused to use it. And prospered BECAUSE they used high cost labor to produce high costs goods behind a wall of revenue tariffs that protected their economic system. Got it now?

Ask your 86 year old grandmother which is a better system, progressive income taxes or revenue tariffs? Don't you see that free trade is doing to this nation's ability to create wealth? And the standard of living of it working people? We are turning into a two tier society, the rich and the poor. Jobs are disappearing the government is going deeper and deeper into debt, and SURPRISE the poor are voting for more and more government help. Which, SURPRISE means more and more taxes on the few that still have descent jobs.

Yup you are a Marxist as Karl Marx himself points out. Not an intentional one, just an unwitting fool one one. I on the other hand am a conservative as once again, Karl Marx himself acknowledges.

169 posted on 03/06/2004 5:58:25 AM PST by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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