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To: justshutupandtakeit
What a silly post. While I admit that reasonable people disagree about the merits of the civil war, your post assumes the fallacious premise that the Democrats in 1860 were the same party as in 2004, simply because they have the same name. There were two political cleavages which realigned the parties in the intervening period - around 1900, when the merits of the gold standard became the central political issue and in the 1930's, when the rise of the welfare state became the main issue. There were massive party migrations during each of the periods such that afterwards, the parties were the same in name only.

Oh, and I assume the president other than Lincoln at the top of your list wouldn't be Washington, because he was a traitor too, right?

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

110 posted on 03/07/2004 11:58:08 PM PST by Texas Federalist
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To: Texas Federalist
Your last quotation attempting to equate the lunatic traitors of 1861 with the real patriots of 1776 merely shows the vacuousness of any attempt to defend the DemocRAT Insurrection. There was no government constitutionally empowered to govern the Colonists of 1776 there was one to do just that in 1861. That Constitution and the Union it established were attacked by the DemocRAT Insurrection. Arbitrary pronouncements of the Royal Will were attacked in 1776. Huge difference.

By tearing itself into three parts the DemocRAT party 1860 allowed Lincoln to win then concocted a phony "tyranny" and launched its insane rebellion attempting to avoid the consequences of its political folly. Having barely taken office, Lincoln did nothing to provoke them nor would he have interfered unconstitutionally with the Slavers only REAL concern, slavery.

Washington and Lincoln were the greatest presidents the nation ever had. Both had to address the lunacy of secession and Washington did just that in the Farewell Address.

DemocRAT power has always relied upon the big city machines (and for the same reasons) and corrupt political organizations pretending a Populist concern outside the cities. Aaron Burr and George Clinton would be just as at home in the DemocRAT party of today as they were in 1800 so would most of the others who are DemocRATS. "Policies" have always mattered less than tactics and strategies to attain power to that party.
114 posted on 03/08/2004 8:22:03 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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