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To: Sabertooth
Sabertooth said "Name them, and their universities.

Post the offending line from the Aramaic that is as you characterized it, with the translation, and the source of the translation.

Quite frankly, I don't believe you, or these "professors."

I can understand your suspicion, as I, too, wonder about the veracity of a lot of so-called first hand accounts I read on the Internet. Believe it or not, however, what I recounted about the professors and their talk was absolutely true. I'm hesitant to name them because I fear you will start to flame them, too. They are female professors of religion at a large public university and they are articulate and well-versed (biblical echo unintended)and they said they were sharing what they said is main stream reaction to the movie in their field of Christian scholarship. They said they are writing a book together that should be ready in about 6 months, so you will be able to read all about their views and them. The line itself they said is well known in Christian tradition and is said in Aramaic in the film, presumably translated correctly - I don't read Aramaic. The two women did make a big point of their deep fear of what it can set loose directly and indirectly even today throughout the world, since they know how much hate has been wrought over the centuries by the line.


486 posted on 03/05/2004 7:33:04 AM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
I can understand your suspicion, as I, too, wonder about the veracity of a lot of so-called first hand accounts I read on the Internet. Believe it or not, however, what I recounted about the professors and their talk was absolutely true. I'm hesitant to name them because I fear you will start to flame them, too.

Either you're lying, or they are.

You've used these mystery professors to launch a uniquely ugly and inflammatory charge against Mel Gibson. You have a burden, now meet it.

Put up or shut up.

They are female professors of religion at a large public university and they are articulate and well-versed (biblical echo unintended)and they said they were sharing what they said is main stream reaction to the movie in their field of Christian scholarship. They said they are writing a book together that should be ready in about 6 months, so you will be able to read all about their views and them.

Put up or shut up.

The line itself they said is well known in Christian tradition and is said in Aramaic in the film, presumably translated correctly - I don't read Aramaic. The two women did make a big point of their deep fear of what it can set loose directly and indirectly even today throughout the world, since they know how much hate has been wrought over the centuries by the line.

You made this claim:

Well for starters, New Mexico and Mexico for example. This movie is going worldwide and the Aramaic line in the film that says "The Jews, because they 'killed Christ,' must be pursued and punished for all generations" and which Gibson was convinced by critics not to include in the English translation in the U.S. release of the film might very likely be translated for other countries showings of the film.
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This line doesn't appear in the Gospels.

This accusation against Mel Gibson is itself a blood libel.

You are spreading hateful things about him, and his intentions, and about Christianity.

As I said, either you're a liar, or these Professors are lying.

Post their names. Put up or shut up.


516 posted on 03/05/2004 7:48:48 AM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
The two women did make a big point of their deep fear of what it can set loose directly and indirectly even today throughout the world, since they know how much hate has been wrought over the centuries by the line.

So naturally their fear led them to write a book about it so that anyone who doesn't understand Aramaic will know what was said thereby neutralizing the danger. ???

970 posted on 03/05/2004 9:51:37 PM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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