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Heartened by Senate Vote, Anti-Gun Groups Demand 'Stronger' Ban
CNSNews.com ^ | March 04, 2004 | By Susan Jones

Posted on 03/05/2004 5:37:41 AM PST by beaureguard

(CNSNews.com) - Gun control groups not only want Congress to pass an extension of the 1994 "assault weapons" ban -- they also want the ban to be "strengthened."

They said they are heartened by this week's gun control votes in the U.S. Senate.

The Washington-based Violence Policy Center accuses the gun industry of "willfully circumventing federal law" by modifying a new generation of weapons and renaming them 'post-ban' or 'after-ban' assault weapons.

Such weapons are perfectly legal under the so-called "assault weapons" ban. But the Violence Policy Center accuses the gun industry of evading the intent of Congress by "making minor cosmetic changes and producing 'clones' and 'knock-off' versions to continue to sell for profit at the expense of public safety."

The group singled out six Illinois gunmakers that manufacture "post-ban assault weapons." It said a new study shows that Illinois has more "post-ban" assault weapon manufacturers than any other state.

Even if the U.S. Senate had passed an extension of the semi-automatic weapons ban, "the extension would do nothing to curtail Illinois unique distinction of being number one in manufacturing these deadly assault weapons," said Thom Mannard, executive director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence.

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence says renewing the assault weapons ban will be its highest priority for the coming months.

In a press release, the group praised John Kerry for speaking "loud and clear on what America should be doing to reduce gun violence." On Tuesday, Kerry voted in favor of an amendment that would have extended the Clinton-era ban on "military-style assault weapons."

That amendment contributed to the defeat of a larger bill that would have protected gun makers from politically-motivated lawsuits intended to drive them out of business.

Brady Campaign President Michael Barnes praised "police leaders, crime victims and elected leaders of both parties" for "standing up and rejecting the extremist agenda of the National Rifle Association's leadership."

The fact that the Senate passed an amendment extending the assault weapons ban shows that "common-sense gun safety laws are back on the national agenda," Barnes said.

"As of today, these military-style weapons of destruction are only outlawed in this country for 195 more days," he warned. "Our priority in those 195 days is to work with police, Congress and the American public to make sure this ban remains in effect. To let it expire would be an outrage."

In the weeks ahead, gun violence advocates will be preparing for a second Million Mom March on May 9 in Washington, D.C. They're calling it "the Mother's Day March to Halt the Assault." Activists will call on Congress to reauthorize and strengthen the assault weapons ban, the Brady Campaign said.

'Fraud'

The Clinton-era "assault weapons" ban is a total fraud and should be allowed to lapse, Second Amendment groups say.

"Even before the Clinton ban was enacted, federal surveys showed that violent criminals carried a 'military-type gun' only in about one percent of the crimes nationwide," Erich Pratt, Gun Owners of America's director of communications, said in a recent press release.

Gun owners object to the ban because it arbitrarily outlaws a certain group of guns based on how they look -- characteristics that give them a "military-style" appearance.

Equally offensive to some gun owners is the fact that the government is deciding which guns have "legitimate" uses -- the argument that "you don't need an assault weapon to go hunting."

One Second Amendment group recently rejected that "guns-for-hunting" argument.

"The Second Amendment is not, and never has been, about shooting ducks, deer, clay targets or tin cans," said Alan Gottlieb, chairman of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA), in a recent press release.

"It's about personal defense, homeland security, and resisting tyranny."

Another argument holds that by rallying Americans against "assault" weapons first -- gun control groups will find it that much easier to achieve their ultimate goal of eventually outlawing all guns.


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1 posted on 03/05/2004 5:37:41 AM PST by beaureguard
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To: Joe Brower
For your bang list.
2 posted on 03/05/2004 5:38:14 AM PST by beaureguard (Herman Cain for Senate!)
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To: beaureguard
The Washington-based Violence Policy Center accuses the gun industry of "willfully circumventing federal law" by modifying a new generation of weapons and renaming them 'post-ban' or 'after-ban' assault weapons.

No. They willfully FOLLOWED the law as written in your haste to get this BS through. That's why in CT. you can't own an AR15, but you can lawfully own a Bushmaster.

3 posted on 03/05/2004 5:43:32 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: beaureguard
""As of today, these military-style weapons of destruction are only outlawed in this country for 195 more days,"

I am confused.

The Supreme Court said in 1939, Miller v U.S., the first federal case for interpreting the first federal law infringing in the right to keep and bear arms, that Congress could outlaw sawed off shotguns because a sawed off shotgun had no military use and thus would not be used by a "militia."

Mr. Miller's conviction was upheld.

The Court said, in order for the right to keep and bear arms to be exerted, the arm had to have sometype of military utility. An arm that a "militia" would use.

So, based on this decision, the assault weapon ban is unconstitutional because such arms are of military utility and 2nd amendment states, "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

4 posted on 03/05/2004 5:54:02 AM PST by tahiti
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To: beaureguard
FYI: "...the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence are happy to answer any questions from the accredited press."

The above sentence is directly from the web site of the Brady Center.

There is no link at the web site,vto send the organization an e-mail message.

I guess they are afraid of all of "hateful" e-mail messages they would get from liberty lovers like me.

5 posted on 03/05/2004 6:05:21 AM PST by tahiti
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To: beaureguard
The argument they present is that"Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons; mere civilians do not.
6 posted on 03/05/2004 6:15:49 AM PST by Gunner Mike (Ready on the right? Ready on the left? All ready on the firing line.)
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To: beaureguard; blackie; Travis McGee
"I, (name), do swear as I shall answer to God at the great day of judgement, I have not, nor shall have in my possession any gun, sword, pistol or arm whatever, and never use tartan, plaid, or any part of the highland garb; and if I do so, may I be cursed, may I never see my wife and children, father, mother or relations, and lie without a Christian burial in a strange land, far from the graves of my forefathers and my kindred; may all this come across me if I break my oath."
7 posted on 03/05/2004 6:26:20 AM PST by risk (Live free or die.)
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To: beaureguard; *bang_list; AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; harpseal; Shooter 2.5; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
8 posted on 03/05/2004 6:37:43 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: beaureguard
MOLON LABE!
9 posted on 03/05/2004 6:38:32 AM PST by MCRD
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To: beaureguard
One Second Amendment group recently rejected that "guns-for-hunting" argument.

Recently? Perhaps the CCRKBA only recently rejected it, but all other pro-2A groups have rejected it for decades.

10 posted on 03/05/2004 6:49:20 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: tahiti
Oh, stop it! It is against the rules to use logic and the anit-gunners own words and the Constitution to point out how stupid and wrong they are.
11 posted on 03/05/2004 6:50:58 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Joe Brower
We have got to get more active against this stuff.

ALL evidence indicates that private ownership of firearms is a postive thing, that it deters crime and that it is a healthy hobby for families to engage in. Its clearly protected by the Second Amendment.

There is an extremely large and vocal group of professional religious pacifists, liberal minority groups, entertainment and news media elites, and the leftists in Democratic Party who are pursuing a political agenda for restructuring American society and rewritting history and the war against the gun is an important component of this. It doesn't exist in a vacuum. If they are permitted to succeed here, they will move on to other, equally odious components of that agenda, encouraged by successes with a gun war.

Bush should be bombarded with letters, FAXES, E-mails, opposing ALL of these attempts to incrementally eviscerate the first amendment - gun show checks, the assault rifle ban, ballistic fingerprinting, smart guns, .50 caliber bans, etc.

We should keep our eyes open and send contributions to ANYONE ANYWHERE in the Country who is running for office against the most notorious of these anti-gun people like Schumer, Lautenberg, Corzine, Feinstein, Boxer, Nadler, Kennedy, etc.

We need to get better organized.

Maybe have a websote of our own where we can exchange alerts and information.

This nonesense has GOT to be stopped.
12 posted on 03/05/2004 6:52:29 AM PST by ZULU (God Bless Senator Joe McCarthy!!!)
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To: tahiti
P.S. You are correct. On one hand they point to the Miller case for the justification for all their people control laws and outlawing guns not deemed suitable for use in the militia and on the other hand they want to outlaw all guns that ARE suitable for use in the militia.

Who is the militia?

TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > Sec. 311. Next

Sec. 311. - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b)The classes of the militia are -

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia

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13 posted on 03/05/2004 6:57:19 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: risk
"It's about personal defense, homeland security, and resisting tyranny."

The Second Amendment...
America's Original Homeland Security!

We are winning ~ the bad guys are losing ~ trolls, terrorists, gun grabbers, democrats and the mainstream media are sad ~ very sad!

~~ Bush/Cheney 2004 ~~

14 posted on 03/05/2004 7:00:26 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Joe Brower
Bump for the good guys on the bang list!

Be Ever Vigilant!

FMCDH!
15 posted on 03/05/2004 7:02:08 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie
See all our nobles begging to be slaves!
See all our fools aspiring to be knaves!
All, all look up with reverential awe
At crimes that 'scape or triumph o'er the law;
--Alexander Pope "Triumph of Corruption"
16 posted on 03/05/2004 7:07:50 AM PST by risk (Live free or die.)
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To: Joe Brower

NRA Anti-AWB Website

SUNSET THE AW BAN

17 posted on 03/05/2004 7:08:01 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: risk
Love that history!

No Guns, No Rights!

18 posted on 03/05/2004 7:12:35 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: beaureguard
In a press release, the group praised John Kerry for speaking "loud and clear on what America should be doing to reduce gun violence." On Tuesday, Kerry voted in favor of an amendment that would have extended the Clinton-era ban on "military-style assault weapons."
All of us need to keep this in mind.
19 posted on 03/05/2004 7:18:30 AM PST by wjcsux (3rd Party Voters; stupid is as stupid does.)
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To: ZULU
We should keep our eyes open and send contributions to ANYONE ANYWHERE in the Country who is running for office against the most notorious of these anti-gun people like Schumer, Lautenberg, Corzine, Feinstein, Boxer, Nadler, Kennedy, etc.

We need to get better organized. Maybe have a websote of our own where we can exchange alerts and information.

This nonesense has GOT to be stopped.

Amen! I totally agree. We have to stop them NOW and get this resolved. If the Supreme Court is going to rule against us, I'd rather have it happen while we've still got our guns. As far as I'm concerned, the anti gunners have declared war against us and since they wanted a war, they've got one. I'm fed up with this crap!

20 posted on 03/05/2004 7:19:56 AM PST by NRA2BFree
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