Republican Congressman Kolbe - "Gay Marriage...its time has come"

03/05/04 | sasafras

[ClintonBeGone]

I admit I have never heard of this guy, but do you suppose he could be classified as a RINO?

Perhaps. Some might even call him an out of the closet homo.

[BackInBlack]

"It judt doesn't seem like anyone is on the side of the American people anymore; but the American people. I just don't get why our so called elected will not do what the people want them to do. Are they so far above us?"

We should be careful about committing to the "delegate theory" of democratic representation -- claiming that our elected representatives should do whatever the polls say -- just because we agree in one particular case with the majority of the population. Most Americans are pro-choice, but that shouldn't stop us from pushing a pro-life agenda. Most Americans favor more regulation of corporations, but that doesn't mean we should stop fighting for limited government. Most Americans support stronger environmental laws, but that doesn't mean we're wrong about putting people over spotted owls. Most Americans want increased federal spending on health care and education, but that doesn't mean we should abandon our belief that federal power should usually be subservient to either state power or market power.

The polls worry me more than they comfort me. We still have a long way to go before we can say that the majority of this country is with us on bread and butter domestic issues. Patriotism, family, foreign policy, yes. But let's not get ahead of ourselves; this country is divided.

[Knuckle Sandwich Combo]

marriage

was instituted in Paradise when man was in innocence (Gen. 2:18-24). Here we have its original charter, which was confirmed by our Lord, as the basis on which all regulations are to be framed (Matt. 19:4, 5). It is evident that monogamy was the original law of marriage (Matt. 19:5; 1 Cor. 6:16). This law was violated in after times, when corrupt usages began to be introduced (Gen. 4:19; 6:2). We meet with the prevalence of polygamy and concubinage in the patriarchal age (Gen. 16:1-4; 22:21-24; 28:8, 9; 29:23-30, etc.). Polygamy was acknowledged in the Mosaic law and made the basis of legislation, and continued to be practised all down through the period of Jewish histroy to the Captivity, after which there is no instance of it on record. It seems to have been the practice from the beginning for fathers to select wives for their sons (Gen. 24:3; 38:6). Sometimes also proposals were initiated by the father of the maiden (Ex. 2:21). The brothers of the maiden were also sometimes consulted (Gen. 24:51; 34:11), but her own consent was not required. The young man was bound to give a price to the father of the maiden (31:15; 34:12; Ex. 22:16, 17; 1 Sam. 18:23, 25; Ruth 4:10; Hos. 3:2) On these patriarchal customs the Mosaic law made no change. In the pre-Mosaic times, when the proposals were accepted and the marriage price given, the bridegroom could come at once and take away his bride to his own house (Gen. 24:63-67). But in general the marriage was celebrated by a feast in the house of the bride's parents, to which all friends were invited (29:22, 27); and on the day of the marriage the bride, concealed under a thick veil, was conducted to her future husband's home. Our Lord corrected many false notions then existing on the subject of marriage (Matt. 22:23-30), and placed it as a divine institution on the highest grounds. The apostles state clearly and enforce the nuptial duties of husband and wife (Eph. 5:22-33; Col. 3:18, 19; 1 Pet. 3:1-7). Marriage is said to be "honourable" (Heb. 13:4), and the prohibition of it is noted as one of the marks of degenerate times (1 Tim. 4:3). The marriage relation is used to represent the union between God and his people (Isa. 54:5; Jer. 3:1-14; Hos. 2:9, 20). In the New Testament the same figure is employed in representing the love of Christ to his saints (Eph. 5:25-27). The Church of the redeemed is the "Bride, the Lamb's wife" (Rev. 19:7-9).

Source: Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary

[Abram]

Interesting take and since you are from Arizona, you probably have a better take. I am from WA and obviously don't have a complete take on the situation, but I too know a number of his constituents and they love them...but many of them are Democrats (although conservative Democrats). Others are Republicans and I don't view them to be RINOs, but I am often accused of being one and I have a hard time finding a true definition of a RINO. Most be someone who is more accepting, moderate-viewed, and accept differences in people's views as diversity and a learning opportunity. I honestly appreciate your take and the time you took to put it together.

On a second note, I find it interesting that you cite the late Ezra T. Benson on your profile page. A good man, but I tend to like the mild manner of Spencer W. Kimball a little better, but that could be my compassionate conservative take. As you seem to be LDS (but I won't make the assumption as many non-LDS admirers of the man abound), have you seen the most recent Mormon informercials that seem to promote tolerance and acceptance to homosexuals? I really struggle with this as an LDS person whose brother (former LDS) is out of the closet gay and I still love him. I also knew many former members who served missions, grew up in the church, and struggle with this issue. The Bible condemns the practice...but "Jesus says love everyone" and to "Love the man, but hate the sin".

[concerned about politics]

Next time this guy is up for reelection, we need a normal representative to defeat him. The sexually insane shouldn't be allowed to run the asylum.

[BnBlFlag]

"The time has come" for this scumbag to get out of our party!

[AuH2ORepublican]

The 8th CD is not quite as conservative as the rest of Arizona, but it is certainly conservative enough to elect a real Republican and not that RINO Kolbe. Bush got 48.6% of the vote in 2000, only 3.1% below his 51.7% in the state as a whole. While a moderate Democrat with good name recognition could mount a strong challenge in the district, no Democrat has declared his candidacy yet (in fact, according to Politics1.com, no one is even rumored to be interested in making the race), so I don't think that by nominating Randy Graf we will be throwing the seat to the RAT column.

And even if a Democrat ended up taking the seat, I doubt he would be as out of the mainstream on social issues as Kolbe. First partial-birth abortion, then gay marriage---doesn't Kolbe recognize a litmus test when he sees one? We can't afford to keep someone like that in the House, since you know the media loves this kind of stuff and will present him as the "mainstream Republican" and the other 95% of Republicans as "radical conservatives."

GO, GRAF, GO!

[freekitty]

Somehow, I don't think the public is going to buy this.

[Spiff]

On a second note, I find it interesting that you cite the late Ezra T. Benson on your profile page. A good man, but I tend to like the mild manner of Spencer W. Kimball a little better, but that could be my compassionate conservative take. As you seem to be LDS (but I won't make the assumption as many non-LDS admirers of the man abound), have you seen the most recent Mormon informercials that seem to promote tolerance and acceptance to homosexuals? I really struggle with this as an LDS person whose brother (former LDS) is out of the closet gay and I still love him. I also knew many former members who served missions, grew up in the church, and struggle with this issue. The Bible condemns the practice...but "Jesus says love everyone" and to "Love the man, but hate the sin".

Proverbs 29:2
2. When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice•: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn•.

Doctrine & Covenants 98:8-11
8 I, the Lord God, make you free•, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free.
9 Nevertheless, when the wicked• rule the people mourn.
10 Wherefore, honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil.
11 And I give unto you a commandment, that ye shall forsake all evil and cleave unto all good, that ye shall live by every word• which proceedeth forth out of the mouth of God.

Rush Limbaugh was my inspiration to switch from Democrat to Republican - turned me from liberal to conservative. It was Ezra Taft Benson's teachings that made me a hardcore conservative incapable of compromising my values, intolerable of socialism in all of its forms, and tenacious in my activism to expose and destroy all threats to our freedom. I consider Kolbe's gay activism a threat to the family - the core unit of a righteous, free society. If the concept of family is redefined and the traditional family is negated, our free society will crumble. If our free society crumbles, our freedom will be destroyed. If we lose the core values upon which this free nation was founded we will no longer remain free.

Our founding fathers told us, the republic they formed and the Constitutional government which governs it is wholly inadequate to govern an immoral people. Any increase in immorality and its acceptance in our society is a threat to our republic as our government is not capable of keeping an immoral people free. And, by the way, homosexual behavior is immoral. Therefore...well, you get the picture.

I will not stand idly by while a wicked man "represents" my family. We are mourning here in southeastern Arizona as we suffer the negative effects of Kolbe's rule. I've raised my own "Title of Liberty" and I will do battle with anyone who opposes or threatens it.

[Spiff]

Jim is a very good man, has a great heart,

That would explain why he's voted every time against any Partial Birth Abortion ban. That would explain why he is one of the most pro-abortion Republicans in Congress. Abortion is one of the vilest evils of our time. The Priests of Baal can only admire our bloody sacrifice of our own innocent children on the altars of convenience and promiscuous sexual behavior.

You are the first member of the LDS Church that I've met that gives any sort of support or defense for the wicked man that is Jim Kolbe.

[wylenetheconservative]

I have to say that I'm not sure we could hold that district without Kolbe. AZ is trending RAT as more Hispanics become voters, and Tuscon is bulging with Hispanics. That said, I don't think the cost of the potential loss of one house seat is worth propping up this abortion-loving sodomite. Since he was married before he chose to accept his deviant lifestyle, I am prayerful that he didn't infect his wife during their marriage. The RATS will take the Tuscon house seat at some point anyway thanks to immigration policies of men like Kolbe, so I hope the voters oust him and take their chances now.

[Spiff]

I have to say that I'm not sure we could hold that district without Kolbe. AZ is trending RAT as more Hispanics become voters, and Tuscon is bulging with Hispanics. That said, I don't think the cost of the potential loss of one house seat is worth propping up this abortion-loving sodomite. Since he was married before he chose to accept his deviant lifestyle, I am prayerful that he didn't infect his wife during their marriage. The RATS will take the Tuscon house seat at some point anyway thanks to immigration policies of men like Kolbe, so I hope the voters oust him and take their chances now.

Kolbe beat the Democrat candidate 126,930 to 67,328. We're not even close to "trending RAT" down here. You won't believe how many potential conservative voters simply do NOT vote for Congressman in this district. I'm one of them. I cannot, in good conscience, vote for anyone who supports or even tolerates the slaughter of unborn children. Therefore, I could not vote for any of the candidates for Congress in the last election.

[Map Kernow]

Kolbe wants to have his kolbasa and eat it too.

[NRA2BFree]

Not unexpected. Kolbe is gay.

lol..That would be the problem. ;)

[BlackElk]

A congressthing like Kolbe who favors the killing of children moments from birth by Partial Birth Abortion is obviously going further than even Herod Blackmun did in Roe vs. Wade. He buys off on and supports all 45 million homicides perpetrated in the Roe vs. Wade holocaust and those yet to occur.

Your wonderment over how conservatives can write off trash like Kolbe over "one or two issues" is not unlike being in wonderment over people who write off Hitler for killing 11 million or so, Stalin and the soviet leadership in killing 50 million or so and Mao in killing 75 million or so, all in non-combat situations in all three cases.

The real situation with Kolbe is not how hard it would be for an actual Republican to take his district against any Democrat but the fact that Kolbe would likely switch parties to gather with those whose social issue barbarianism reflects his own. If so, let it be. There are issues not to compromise on and sexual perversion and baby-killing are two of them.

[Don Joe]

This has NOTHING to do with civil rights.

Have gays been denied a seat at the counter in a diner? Have they been made to sit in the back of the bus?

The civil rights claim is just a way of positioning their argument to make it more palitable to the public.....and they ain't but'n it.

There is something tragically ironic in listening to a group of sexual deviants who account for perhaps 1.7% of the population -- yet, have a far disporportionate amount of income, and influence in the culture and politics, cry "discrimination".

There is something even more tragic, though. That's watching the rest of the country -- including those charged with upholding the laws -- basically roll over and play dead, lest they offend these misfits.

[truthandjustice1]

"This is a message to the Republican Party: Open your Eyes and be truly a big tent or you will lose moderates!!!!"

With friends like you, we don't need democrats.

[Don Joe]

He's a right to his opinion

Does he have the right to shove his opinion down the throats of millions with the opposite opinion?

Does he -- and his ilk -- have the right to disregard the law of the land -- with impunity -- because the law runs counter to their opinion?

He's a right to his opinion? Well isn't that special. Here's my opinion: We are watching the opening salvos of a civil war. They've been fired at the USA by a tiny contingent of misfits, emboldened by two factors -- their own arrogance, and the pathetic state of their opponents, worn down by decades of "bread and circuses".

We are watching the collapse of the United States of America.

In this civil war, there may not be any actual shots fired, but that's moot, because the end result will be the same -- the collapse of a culture.

[Don Joe]

The polls worry me more than they comfort me.

The polls don't exist for the purpose of informing opinion, but rather for steering opinion.

Sadly, most people have a deepseated need to be in the majority. Convince them that "90% of Americans want thus and such", and they'll "want" it too.

It goes by various names, mob mentality, mass psychology, "a nation of sheep", etc.; but whatever name you hang on it, the result is what matters. And the result is that it's become trivially easy to "steer the agenda" by constantly bombarding people with "polls" that tell them what "most people think".

[expatguy]

Never in my life did I ever imagine the day would come.

America is playing with fire.