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Kerry Met With Viet Cong And North Vietnamese In Paris In 1971
Congressional Record ^ | March 6, 2004 | John F. Kerry

Posted on 03/06/2004 12:21:15 AM PST by Hon

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Kerry was negotiating with the enemy. He recommended that we immediately accept the enemies terms.

What a surprise!

1 posted on 03/06/2004 12:21:16 AM PST by Hon
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2 posted on 03/06/2004 12:26:04 AM PST by kcvl
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The CHAIRMAN. The Congress cannot directly under our system negotiate a cease-fire or anything of this kind. Under our constitutional system we can advise the President. We have to persuade the President of the urgency of taking this action. Now we have certain ways in which to proceed. We can, of course, express ourselves in a resolution or we can pass an act which directly affects appropriations which is the most concrete positive way the Congress can express itself.

But Congress has no capacity under our system to go out and negotiate a cease-fire. We have to persuade the Executive to do this for the country.

EXTRAORDINARY RESPONSE DEMANDED BY EXTRAORDINARY QUESTION

Mr. KERRY. Mr. Chairman, I realize that full well as a study of political science. I realize that we cannot negotiate treaties and I realize that even my visits in Paris, precedents had been set by Senator McCarthy and others, in a sense are on the borderline of private individuals negotiating, et cetera. I understand these things. But what I am saying is that I believe that there is a mood in this country which I know you are aware of and you have been one of the strongest critics of this war for the longest time. But I think if we can talk in this legislative body about filibustering for porkbarrel programs, then we should start now to talk about filibustering for the saving of lives and of our country. [Applause.]

3 posted on 03/06/2004 12:26:53 AM PST by Hon
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Yep. I'm shocked.

Good find. This should be publicized round the clock.
4 posted on 03/06/2004 12:26:55 AM PST by kenth (My kingdom for a cheeseburger!)
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I can't wait to see this scandalous act echoed across the mass media. Really, I couldn't possibly wait that long for hell to freeze over.
5 posted on 03/06/2004 12:28:21 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Why the long face, John?)
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WITNESS' SERVICE DECORATIONS

Senator SYMINGTON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Kerry, please move your microphone. You have a Silver Star; have you not?

Mr. Kerry. Yes, I do.

Senator SYMINGTON. How many clusters?

Mr. KERRY. Two clusters.

Senator SYMINGTON. So you have been wounded three times.

Mr. KERRY. Yes, sir.

Senator SYMINGTON. I have no further questions, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Senator Aiken. [Applause.]

6 posted on 03/06/2004 12:29:16 AM PST by Hon
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Wow.
7 posted on 03/06/2004 12:32:10 AM PST by Deb (My Tag Skies to Gotham & Con-Fabs With Net Prexies)
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Here is some more specific information about this meeting. It is from "Home To War" by Gerald Nicosia, p. 103. It gives a more exact time frame for when VVAW had members in Paris talking to the NLF (Viet Cong):

"Even as Shoup was speaking [March 16, 1971], VVAW had two representatives in Paris--including Native American veteran Mike Hunter, a former airborne ranger with a Silver Star--offering their apologies to the North Vietnamese for the genocide that had occurred at My Lai and elsewhere in Vietnam. Unfortunately, that private peace offering never made the papers."
8 posted on 03/06/2004 12:37:14 AM PST by Hon
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9 posted on 03/06/2004 12:38:19 AM PST by kcvl
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Here is the "People's Peace Treaty" that Kerry and the VVAW and signed on to and which they demanded the US sign with North Vietnam and the National Liberation Front:

Joint Treaty of Peace

Between the People of The United States of America, South Vietnam and North Vietnam

Preamble

Be it known that the American people and the Vietnamese people are not enemies. The war is carried out in the names of the people of the United States and South Vietnam, but without our consent. It destroys the land and people of Vietnam. It drains America of its resources, its youth, and its honor.

We hereby agree to end the war on the following terms, so that both peoples can live under the joy of independence and can devote themselves to building a society based on human equality and respect for the earth. In rejecting the war we also reject all forms of racism and discrimination against people based on color, class, sex, national origin, and ethnic grouping which form the basis of the war policies, past and present, of the United States government.

Terms of Peace Treaty

  1. The Americans agree to immediate and total withdrawal from Vietnam, and publicly to set the date by which all U.S. military forces will be removed.
  2. The Vietnamese pledge that as soon as the U. S. government publicly sets a date for total withdrawal: they will enter discussions to secure the release of all American prisoners, including pilots captured while bombing North Vietnam.
  3. There will be an immediate cease-fire between U. S. forces and those led by the Provisional Revolutionary Government of South Vietnam.
  4. They will enter discussions on the procedures to guarantee the safety of all withdrawing troops.
  5. The Americans pledge to end the imposition of Thieu-Ky-Khiem on the people of South Vietnam in order to insure their right to self-determination and so that all political prisoners can be released.
  6. The Vietnamese pledge to form a provisional coalition government to organize democratic elections. All parties agree to respect the results of elections in which all South Vietnamese can participate freely without the presence of any foreign troops.
  7. The South Vietnamese pledge to enter discussion of procedures to guarantee the safety and political freedom of those South Vietnamese who have collaborated with the U. S. or with U. S. -supported regimes.
  8. The Americans and Vietnamese agree to respect the independence, peace and neutrality of Laos and Cambodia in accord with the 1954 and 1962 Geneva Conventions and not to interfere in the internal affairs of these two countries.
  9. Upon these points of agreement, we pledge to end the war and resolve all other questions in the spirit of self-determination and mutual respect for the independence and political freedom of the people of Vietnam and the United States.

Pledge

By ratifying this agreement, we pledge to take whatever actions are appropriate to implement the terms of the People to people Treaty and to insure its acceptance by the government of the United States.

http://www.davka.org/what/theleft/peoplespeacetreatyvietnam.html

10 posted on 03/06/2004 12:39:39 AM PST by Hon
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11 posted on 03/06/2004 12:40:19 AM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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Just to be clear, the "People's Peace Treaty" were simply the Viet Cong's terms. So when Kerry said the following, he was saying we should just sign the People's Peace Treaty and accept the VC's terms. (Madam Win Thi Binh was the Foreign Minister of the PRG--the Viet Cong.)

Kerry: "I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."

12 posted on 03/06/2004 12:47:48 AM PST by Hon
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OK. Whose got the talk show e-mail list??? Send it several times so they get the point!!
13 posted on 03/06/2004 12:59:45 AM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com......................Send a Freeper to Congress!)
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Thanks.

Isn't it illegal for a private citizen to enter into agreements/arrangements/deals with another nation we are at war with ?

14 posted on 03/06/2004 1:04:25 AM PST by nopardons
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The Logan Act or something?
15 posted on 03/06/2004 1:09:57 AM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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Exactly:

US Code

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 45 > Sec. 953.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/953.html

16 posted on 03/06/2004 1:13:03 AM PST by Hon
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"Kerry was negotiating with the enemy. He recommended that we immediately accept the enemies terms. What a surprise!"

Will a campaign ad take us there? Done easily in thirty seconds. . .fifteen even. But not holding my breath for the truth to be shared.

17 posted on 03/06/2004 1:13:12 AM PST by cricket
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Logan Act

(1799), U.S. legislation, passed during administration of John Adams and era of tension between U.S. and France; essentially forbids private citizens from involving themselves in making foreign policy; resulted from efforts of George Logan, who met with French government officials in attempt to stave off war; meeting called treasonous by political opponents...

http://wwwa.britannica.com/ebi/article?eu=340202&query=france&ct=ebi
18 posted on 03/06/2004 1:15:45 AM PST by Hon
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so what??!! "I am JOHN effing Kerry" and th'as what I am all about.

kerry is sooo a waste of ourtime.
19 posted on 03/06/2004 1:18:09 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (smaller government? you gotta be kidding!)
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20 posted on 03/06/2004 1:19:11 AM PST by kcvl
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I don't remember, but it's something like that, if not that.
21 posted on 03/06/2004 1:21:59 AM PST by nopardons
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That's it!

So how come he's never been presecuted for what he's done?

He's worse than Clinton.

22 posted on 03/06/2004 1:23:22 AM PST by nopardons
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There is so much crapola in Kerry's answers to these fawning Senators' questions, it is unbelievable. For instance, did you know that John Wayne caused My Lai? Well, he did!

ACTIONS OF LIEUTENANT CALLEY

Finally, in connection with Lieutenant Calley, which is a very emotional issue in this country, I was struck by your passing reference to that incident.

Wouldn't you agree with me though that what he did in herding old men and women and children into a trench and then shooting them was a little bit beyond the perimeter of even what has been going on in this war and that that action should be discouraged. There are other actions not that extreme that have gone on and have been permitted. If we had not taken action or cognizance of it, it would have been even worse. It would have indicated we encouraged this kind of action.

Mr. KERRY. My feeling, Senator, on Lieutenant Calley is what he did quite obviously was a horrible, horrible, horrible thing and I have no bone to pick with'the fact that he was prosecuted. But I think that in this question you have to separate guilt from responsibility, and I think clearly the responsibility for what has happened there lies elsewhere.

I think it lies with the men who designed free fire zones. I think it lies with the men who encouraged body counts. I think it lies in large part with this country, which allows a young child before he reaches the age of 14 to see 12,500 deaths on television, which glorifies the John Wayne syndrome, which puts out fighting man comic books on the stands, which allows us in training to do calisthenics to four counts, on the fourth count of which we stand up and shout "kill" in unison, which has posters in barracks in this country with a crucified Vietnamese, blood on him, and underneath it says "kill the gook," and I think that clearly the responsibility for all of this is what has produced this horrible abberation.

Now, I think if you are going to try Lieutenant Calley then you must at the same time, if this country is going to demand respect for the law, you must at the same time try all those other people who have responsibility, and any aversion that we may have to the verdict as veterans is not to say that Calley should be freed, not to say that he is innocent, but to say that you can't just take him alone, and that would be my response to that.

23 posted on 03/06/2004 1:23:31 AM PST by Hon
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All great stuff, Hon. Thanks for posting!
24 posted on 03/06/2004 1:27:01 AM PST by Bonaparte
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25 posted on 03/06/2004 1:35:57 AM PST by malia (BUSH & CHENEY 2004)
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26 posted on 03/06/2004 1:46:21 AM PST by kcvl
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We have, for your listening pleasure, John F. Kerry making this laughable statement in his own, self-important voice.
27 posted on 03/06/2004 1:47:56 AM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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So as soon as JFK takes over in the White House, all he needs to do is request a list of Osama's demands, accept them all without a peep, and all of this exaggerated terrorism business will fall by the wayside, replaced by everlasting brotherly peace and love between the new Islamic States of America and all of the Muslim nations.
28 posted on 03/06/2004 1:48:19 AM PST by omniscient
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More testimony for his fellow comrades in arms:

USE OF DRUGS BY U.S. SERVICEMEN IN VIETNAM

Senator SYMINGTON. There have been many reports of widespread use of drugs by U.S. servicemen in Vietnam. I might add I was in Europe last week and the growth of that problem was confirmed on direct questioning of people in the military. How serious is the problem and to what do you attribute it?

Mr. KERRY. The problem is extremely serious. It is serious in very many different ways. I believe two Congressmen today broke a story. I can't remember their names. There were 35,000 or some men, heroin addicts that were back.

The problem exists for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the emptiness. It is the only way to get through it. A lot of guys, 60, 80 percent stay stoned 24 hours a day just to get through the Vietnam -

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Kerry sure hung out with a rough crowd for the four months he was in Vietnam.

29 posted on 03/06/2004 1:49:54 AM PST by Hon
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BUMP!!!
30 posted on 03/06/2004 1:50:20 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Kerry, I am sure you can sense the committee members appreciate very much your coming. Do you have anything further to say before we recess?

EXPRESSION OF APPRECIATION

Mr. KERRY. No, sir; I would just like to say on behalf of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War that we do appreciate the efforts made by the Senators to put that resolution on the floor, to help us, help us in their offices in the event we were arrested and particularly for the chance to express the thoughts that I have put forward today. I appreciate it.

The CHAIRMAN. You have certainly done a remarkable job of it. I can't imagine their having selected a better representative or spokesman.

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Isn't that nice?

And it makes it just that much more poetic that just seven months later Kerry's group, the VVAW, would be plotting how to assassinate at least 7 Pro-War Senators:

Kerry's Group The VVAW Discussed Assassinating Seven Pro-War Senators In December 1971

31 posted on 03/06/2004 2:02:56 AM PST by Hon
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32 posted on 03/06/2004 2:20:15 AM PST by KQQL (@)
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KERRY v KERRY @

http://gop.com/kerryvskerry/
33 posted on 03/06/2004 2:25:33 AM PST by KQQL (@)
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KERRY V KERRY @

http://gop.com/kerryvskerry/
34 posted on 03/06/2004 2:28:19 AM PST by KQQL (@)
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"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."

What scum! Helping the Viet f****** Cong dangle American POW's in front of our government and People!

He should have been imprisoned for that, not brought up to the Hill to be fawned over by the ilk of Senator Half-Bright.

35 posted on 03/06/2004 2:28:43 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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Kerry...France...surrender to a mortal enemy...

This story has everything!

36 posted on 03/06/2004 2:40:24 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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As much as I despise F'ing Kerry I have to say the picture looks doctored to me. Did the buffoon have his mug pasted in to the group to make his antiwar significance seem greater? I wish I could get a copy of this book to read.
37 posted on 03/06/2004 2:44:56 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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Oh, behave :)
38 posted on 03/06/2004 2:45:01 AM PST by omniscient
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Lol
39 posted on 03/06/2004 2:49:47 AM PST by KQQL (@)
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Well now here is that famous Arkansas senator in the mix, Fulbright father figure to bjclinton.

IF JFKerry had this tight of connections with North Vietnam, then there might be a Soviet connection hidden in the pile.

The Soviets were the hidden power behind the communists.
40 posted on 03/06/2004 2:50:25 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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I don't see him in the pic..where do u see him?
41 posted on 03/06/2004 2:55:41 AM PST by KQQL (@)
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He's worse than Clinton

Yea .. but I'll bet Jimmy Carter is proud of him

Good Grief the man scares me

42 posted on 03/06/2004 3:07:33 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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I don't see him either. All I see is maybe Beach Boy Brian Wilson in the middle, and maybe a pic of Alfred E. Newman on the wall. Wait a minute, that furrowed, unBotoxed brow on the left, second from the bottom looks familiar ...
43 posted on 03/06/2004 3:15:29 AM PST by omniscient
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Bump
44 posted on 03/06/2004 3:52:25 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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This may have been covered elsewhere but wasn't Kerry still a member of our armed forces when whe went to Paris to convort with our enemy?

Surely, this is/was against the law.

45 posted on 03/06/2004 4:15:15 AM PST by Seeking the truth (Some oldies/newbies are really full of themselves, aren't they?)
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This may have been covered elsewhere but wasn't Kerry still a member of our armed forces when whe went to Paris to convort with our enemy?

Surely, this is/was against the law.

46 posted on 03/06/2004 4:29:20 AM PST by Seeking the truth (Some oldies/newbies are really full of themselves, aren't they?)
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In the Traitor-To-His-Country department, Kerry is beginning to make Clinton look patriotic.
47 posted on 03/06/2004 5:27:46 AM PST by Publius Maximus (Compassionate Conservatism: Profligate Liberal Spending With A Conservative Rhetorical Twist)
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"A lot of guys, 60, 80 percent stay stoned 24 hours a day just to get through the Vietnam"... "a lot of guys?" well that could be ten, twenty or eight...I mean Kerry was in country all of four months? hello?...Hundreds of thousands of guys were in Viet Nam at one time. I can't speak for the other services but I can speak for the grunts in the Marine Corps. And we all know that drugs were everywhere in Viet Nam but in the grunt units I can say that unequivocally we did not tolerate drugs in the bush. Our lives depended on each other and we could not and would not allow someone on drugs with the unit. They would be on the next chopper out. Semper Fi, Kelly
48 posted on 03/06/2004 5:28:02 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. "C" 1/5 1st Mar Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi "KERRY IS A LYING TRAITOR!")
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"I can't speak for the other services but I can speak for the grunts in the Marine Corps."

I bet you Marines never had to film reenactments of your gun fights either.

There something about this whole thing to be thinking so far in advance to film reenactments and still continue to replay them.
49 posted on 03/06/2004 5:32:36 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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BTW thank you Hon for posting this article and keeping this issue on the front burner. Kerry should have never been allowed to spread those vile lies in 1971 about the American GI's in Viet Nam. I walked point for the 1st Battalion, 5th Marines in 1969 and 1970 and I had access to Marine Corps intelligence during those years and I can tell you unequivocally that there were no "mass atrocities" or drugs allowed in the bush in Marine Corps grunts units. PERIOD! Kerry is a bald faced liar and scandalous traitor! And that's the bottom line. Kerry should have been investigated, indicted, tried and probably convicted of TREASON! Semper Fi, Kelly
50 posted on 03/06/2004 5:35:39 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. "C" 1/5 1st Mar Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi "KERRY IS A LYING TRAITOR!")
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