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"Gay Marriage" Confusions (Clearing the air!)
Townhall.com ^ | March 9, 2004 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 03/09/2004 5:39:02 PM PST by JRios1968

March 9, 2004

Few issues have produced as much confused thinking as the "gay marriage" issue.

There is, for example, the argument that the government has no business getting involved with marriage in the first place. That is a personal relation, the argument goes.

Love affairs are personal relations. Marriage is a legal relation. To say that government should not get involved in legal relations is to say that government has no business governing.

Homosexuals were on their strongest ground when they said that what happens between "consenting adults" in private is none of the government's business. But now gay activists are taking the opposite view, that it is government's business -- and that government has an obligation to give its approval.

Then there are the strained analogies with the civil rights struggles of the 1960s. Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King challenged the racial laws of their time. So, the argument goes, what is wrong with Massachusetts judges and the mayor of San Francisco challenging laws that they consider unjust today?

First of all, Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King were private citizens and they did not put themselves above the law. On the contrary, they submitted to arrest in order to gain the public support needed to change the laws.

As private citizens, neither Mrs. Parks nor Dr. King wielded the power of government. Their situation was very different from that of public officials who use the power delegated to them through the framework of law to betray that framework itself, which they swore to uphold as a condition of receiving their power.

The real analogy would be to Governor George Wallace, who defied the law by trying to prevent black students from being enrolled in the University of Alabama under a court order.

After Wallace was no longer governor, he was within his rights to argue for racial segregation, just as civil rights leaders argued against it. But, using the powers of his office as governor to defy the law was a violation of his oath.

If judges of the Massachusetts Supreme Court or the mayor of San Francisco want to resign their jobs and start advocating gay marriage, they have every right to do so. But that is wholly different from using the authority delegated to them under the law to subvert the law.

Gay rights activists argue that activist judges have overturned unjust laws in the past and that society is better off for it. The argument that some good has come from some unlawful acts in the past is hardly a basis for accepting unlawful acts in general.

If you only want to accept particular unlawful acts that you agree with, then of course others will have other unlawful acts that they agree with. Considering how many different groups have how many different sets of values, that road leads to anarchy.

Have we not seen enough anarchy in Haiti, Rwanda and other places to know not to go there?

The last refuge of the gay marriage advocates is that this is an issue of equal rights. But marriage is not an individual right. Otherwise, why limit marriage to unions of two people instead of three or four or five? Why limit it to adult humans, if some want to be united with others of various ages, sexes and species?

Marriage is a social contract because the issues involved go beyond the particular individuals. Unions of a man and a woman produce the future generations on whom the fate of the whole society depends. Society has something to say about that.

Even at the individual level, men and women have different circumstances, if only from the fact that women have babies and men do not. These and other asymmetries in the positions of women and men justify long-term legal arrangements to enable society to keep this asymmetrical relationship viable -- for society's sake.

Neither of these considerations applies to unions where the people are of the same sex.

Centuries of experience in trying to cope with the asymmetries of marriage have built up a large body of laws and practices geared to that particular legal relationship. To then transfer all of that to another relationship that was not contemplated when these laws were passed is to make rhetoric more important than reality.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civilunion; marriage; thomassowell
Thomas Sowell, as always, brings the facts to life.
1 posted on 03/09/2004 5:39:03 PM PST by JRios1968
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To: JRios1968
I'm a little behind on my etiquette, perhaps you could assist me. At a gay wedding, which side of the aisle are the straight guest supposed to set on?
2 posted on 03/09/2004 5:43:45 PM PST by bayourod ( Kerry's 1st wife: $250M; 2nd wife: $700M; Mistress: priceless.)
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To: JRios1968
Already posted here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1094051/posts?page=30#30

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1093620/postsd


3 posted on 03/09/2004 5:44:59 PM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: bayourod
Even worse...who throws the bouquet, and who wears the garter???
4 posted on 03/09/2004 5:45:07 PM PST by JRios1968 (Proud to wear Air Force Blue...since 1993!)
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To: bayourod
The questions are endless...
5 posted on 03/09/2004 5:46:27 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: JRios1968
At a gay male wedding, which gift for the newly weds would you recommend, a hospital bed or matching wheel chairs?
6 posted on 03/09/2004 5:46:53 PM PST by bayourod ( Kerry's 1st wife: $250M; 2nd wife: $700M; Mistress: priceless.)
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To: JRios1968
I wish Sowell could be appointed to the SCOTUS.
7 posted on 03/09/2004 5:46:54 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: JRios1968
*BUMP*!
8 posted on 03/09/2004 5:47:56 PM PST by ex-Texan
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Jesus said: "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore, they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." -from THE BIBLE: Matthew 19:4-6

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9 posted on 03/09/2004 5:48:19 PM PST by Cindy
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To: JRios1968
Thomas is right. Marriage is a legal relation. And contrary to the popular canard coming from Libertarian homo-activists, marriage has been a legal thing since the time of Moses.

Except for a period around tax revolt in early American History, there have always been marriage licenses of some sort. Even during and after the tax revolt referred to here, there were legal requirements for posting marriages in order to avoid confusion, frauds, etc.
10 posted on 03/09/2004 6:01:37 PM PST by familyop (Essayons)
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To: familyop
that was the good ol days when marriage carried certain legal rights, such as the Texas law that permitted a man to blow the head off of a man he caught in bed with his wife?

Remember "alienation of affection" lawsuits? Don't exist no mo.

How about the requirement that a person prove adultery in order to get a divorce? Now adultery is not even allowed to be considerer in division of community property or child custody in most states. (community property replaced dowry and alimony if you recall)

Now for the one million dollar question: Which state was first to make it a crime of rape for a man to coerce his wife into having sex with him? Hint: it was the same one that simultaneously had to abolish the prohibition of one spouse testifying against another.

Marriage does have real meaning to some people (people of the book) separate and apart from the meaning any government attaches to it. And that meaning is what really counts.

PS. Do butch or fluff's parents pay for the honeymoon?

11 posted on 03/09/2004 6:24:53 PM PST by bayourod ( Kerry's 1st wife: $250M; 2nd wife: $700M; Mistress: priceless.)
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To: bayourod
I'm a little behind on my etiquette, perhaps you could assist me. At a gay wedding, which side of the aisle are the straight guest supposed to set on?

Plus, who gets to wear the dress? B-)

I remember when I was back in junior high, about 1979 or so, there was a story about where one guy wanted to marry another, I was 13 or so at the time and it being the 1970's, we thought, "boy, that's retarded!" I then joked, "well, it COULD work if one of the partners gets a sex change." B-) B-P Hmmmm, maybe 25 years later, it ain't a bad idea to have such an out, but the next thing will be is they would want the taxpayer to pay for it. B-P

Still either or, can you imagine the divorce cases, I mean, the battle will be over who gets custody of the 1955 Pink Caddy and the gerbil. B-P

Sorry, need my dark humor, it helps. Loved Thomas Sowell's article, all I can say it is a slam dunk and he get the Kewpie Doll as well.
12 posted on 03/09/2004 6:37:45 PM PST by Nowhere Man ("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
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To: bayourod
Exactly. And after this is a country of adults who are overwhelmingly single, the Dems will get all the votes. Social anarchy will follow for decades, at least.
13 posted on 03/09/2004 6:44:01 PM PST by familyop (Essayons)
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To: familyop
Hey look, O'Riley likes them so stop spinning it.

Hard to post this with a straight brain. ;0
14 posted on 03/09/2004 10:16:06 PM PST by Iberian
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To: Iberian
OReily's tacit endorment of homoseuxal marraige is what made me stop watching. He lacks sincerity in his statements. He speaks from ratings not from conviction.

at least that is my impression.
15 posted on 03/10/2004 1:13:06 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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