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To: freebacon
Outsourcing is bad for a few Americans and good for most of them.

Okay. As far as I am concerned we're off to a good start. No nonsense about "stop whining," juvenile reminders that "no job belongs to you," or the Limbaugh-Hegecock-Sullivan "jobs is jobs" BS -- "Get a job, any job and shut up, Mister Middle Class Professional! Or, should we say ex-middle class. Hee, hee, hee."

Nevertheless, discussing free markets and Red China together makes no sense. Red China does not play by rules, not even the WTO's rules.

Yes, I know the CIO Online thread was mostly about India. But Red China is a major player here also. India is a socialist country that permits some capitalist functions. Both are not all that respectful of intellectual property, though Red China is the worst offender by far.

Market socialism is, in fact, a contradiction in terms.

Yet, some praise Red China as "market socialism." It probably is an accurate description given their implementation of market factors along with Lenin's New Economic Plan (NEP). But the Party owns the capital. Party members (and their "princelings") are the capitalists unlike the 1920s Soviet version of NEP where individual Russians (nepmen) were the capitalists. The Soviet put an end to it as it threatened to overtake communism and executed the nepmen. In Red China NEP is very successful and it benefits the Party members. Smart!

Protectionist policies do little to ensure national interest

Why do you guys always single out protectionism? Not all of our concerns call for restricting "free" trade. True free trade that is.

I have yet to see an answer to my question. To wit, what does sending our technology, manufacturing, and IT-enabled services off shore and importing those goods and services have to do with free trade?

It's not free trade it's offshoring? Okay. Why do some say we have to offshore to be competitive? Yet their argument goes, we benefit by offshoring, too! European and Japanese companies offshore to us!

Yes, they do. Another question, how can they offshore to us and still be competitive when our own corporations cannot? Yes, I know. Not that many jobs have gone offshore yet but it is estimated that the number will keep growing and growing.

Free trade was suppose to be about "comparative advantages." India and China offer labor of all types. That is their advantage, I suppose.

But how could they use that advantage had not our own government assisted them in building their infrastructures to support the industries being shipped to them by our own corporations?

Both our own government and our own corporations supported by our own taxpayers.

Then there's the pesky little problem of national security.

8 posted on 03/09/2004 8:03:21 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
I would think that the government would be concerned that tax revenues will fall due to offshoring. When the person in India does the job that the person in Indiana used to do, there is a loss of tax revenue. How will this be made up? Or will it?
9 posted on 03/09/2004 8:15:51 PM PST by henderson field
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