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One pill a day could keep food and nicotine cravings away (Rimonabant)
USA Today ^ | March 9, 2004 | Steve Sternberg

Posted on 03/09/2004 8:58:30 PM PST by FairOpinion

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:42:06 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: krb
I think the burden is on you to show this research. Cough it up, so to speak :-)

That was MrLeroy's rule. He was banned and now onmyfeet has set the new rule. The one that challenges the post is required to show evidence that it is false.

21 posted on 03/11/2004 7:49:40 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
That's an illogical rule. You asserted that research has proved your thesis, so share your research.
22 posted on 03/11/2004 7:58:04 AM PST by krb (the statement on the other side of this tagline is false)
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To: krb
That's an illogical rule.

Then address your concern to MrLeroy onmyfeet. He is the master controller of these pro-drug propanda threads.

23 posted on 03/11/2004 8:00:43 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: FairOpinion
One pill a day could keep food and nicotine cravings away (Rimonabant)

Now if it could only enlarge a penis, spam would be almost defeated with a free market solution.

24 posted on 03/11/2004 8:02:39 AM PST by jwalsh07 (We're bringing it on John but you can't handle the truth!)
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To: FairOpinion
May I have ten-thousand Accomplia please?
25 posted on 03/11/2004 8:04:47 AM PST by Petronski (the co-ordination however falsification to subordinate joins easy the left democracy understanding)
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To: Ophiucus
Smoked marijuana difficulties lay in dosage control and lack of purity of the active substances - not basic effectiveness. This is why the research on synthesized agents is necessary.

That's funny. The potheads on FR always say the opposite: that dosage control is better when smoked, and that there are all sorts of magical properties from what normal people call impurities.

26 posted on 03/11/2004 8:12:35 AM PST by Moonman62
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To: cinFLA
Ok, we'll deal with the rule later. For now though, stop hiding behind it and post a link to your research that has shown that smoked marijuana will never be a medicine.

This appears to be a scientific thread, not a propaganda thread, BTW.
27 posted on 03/11/2004 8:19:12 AM PST by krb (the statement on the other side of this tagline is false)
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To: krb
Perhaps reality would be a better guide. Smoked marijuana is already medicine in several States, with more being proposed every year.
28 posted on 03/11/2004 8:23:45 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: krb
That's an illogical rule. You asserted that research has proved your thesis, so share your research.

Easy. Find me a doctor that recommends smoking for your health.

29 posted on 03/11/2004 8:26:52 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
Easy. Find me a doctor that recommends smoking for your health.

Not so easy I am afraid. By your standard of "research," abortion is good medicine; I can probably find you docs all over the place to perform that "service" for you.

And on top of that, there are docs in the states that have tried to legitimize "medical mj" who will prescribe it for you.

30 posted on 03/11/2004 8:30:44 AM PST by krb (the statement on the other side of this tagline is false)
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To: krb
So those doctors do recommend smoking. Alert the tobacco companies.
31 posted on 03/11/2004 8:31:22 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: cinFLA
You have made several replies but none have refuted my statement: I repeat: Research has shown that smoked marijuana will never be a medicine.

You're being an ignorant, lying ass as usual. You fail to present any of your 'research' because it doesn't exist. Are you a physician, physician's assistant, any health professional at all? Have you gone through a graduate program in human physiology, pharmacology, microbiology, or neurology? You're completely unable to discern that the research debate was never about efficacy as a medicine but efficiency of delivery and complications of other substances endogenous to the cannabis plant.

Try to get this into your puny brain - Your statement of "will never be a medicine" is blatantly false as smoked marijuana has been used as a medicine in the past and in some quarters is still being used as a medicine. There have been programs in the US with smoked marijuana as a medicine in treatment regimens and there are ongoing ones in Canada. Thus smoked marijuana already is a medicine.

Thus, once again, you are simply repeating a lie to make yourself feel you can be the big argue man in a discussion.

Here's some examples of the research of smoked marijuana as a medicine: An Executive Summary from the National Institute of Medicine, Division of Neuroscience, 1999, recommended the short-term use of smoked marijuana until synthetic cannabinoids were approved or a controlled inhaler was developed. It as approved and served as the basis for a pilot study using smoked marijuana as a medicine - and even attempted to develop an inhaler.

UCSF performed a clinical trial using smoked marijuana in a treatment regimen for AIDS patients, 1997-1998.

The New York Journal of Medicine published a state clinical study in 1988 - "Inhalation Marijuana as an Antiemetic for Cancer Chemotherapy" by Vincent Vinciguerra, MD; Terry Moore, MSW; Eileen Brennan, RN - That would be smoked marijuana as a medicine.

August, 2003, Health Canada approved smoked marijuana for medical use for AIDS patients - again, as a medicine.

March, 2001, the International Association of Physicians in AIDS Care published in their journal a summary of the uses of smoked and derivative marijuana as medicines.

The Annals of Internal Medicine in January 2001 reviewed the uses of smoked marijuana as a medicine.

In April, 2001, Nature published a review of the medical uses of smoked marijuana.

The point studies have made is that a pill with one purified or synthetic cannabinoid is easier to control for dosage, purity, and action. This does not negate smoked marijuana as a medicine. A pill form or solution for injection will replace uses for smoked marijuana. Before morphine was developed, opium was dissolved in ethanol and taken in liquid form as a medicine - then purified and synthesized agents like morphine and codeine were later used for pills and injections as medicines. But the raw opium in ethanol is still considered a medicine.

Do you see how that works? Can you understand such a complex and difficult idea?

Or will you continue your mentality of a spoiled three year old like in other threads and yell, "Is not, is not, is not?"

32 posted on 03/11/2004 8:39:16 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Ophiucus
"The point studies have made is that a pill with one purified or synthetic cannabinoid is easier to control for dosage, purity, and action. This does not negate smoked marijuana as a medicine. A pill form or solution for injection will replace uses for smoked marijuana. "

You proved my point. Smoked marijuana is not going to be a medicine.
33 posted on 03/11/2004 8:41:54 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: Moonman62
That's funny. The potheads on FR always say the opposite: that dosage control is better when smoked, and that there are all sorts of magical properties from what normal people call impurities.

If someone says they can control the dosage better by smoking, they're either stoned or ignorant. If you had to take a 5 mg dose of widgetol and your choices were to smoke a 'rolled cigarette' of widget leaf containing 3-10 mg of widgetol depending on where it grew, how wet the growing season was, and how long ago it was harvested or 2.5 mg tablets of measured and processed widgetol, which would you use?

As far as impurities, smoked marijuana not only delivers a couple carcinogens but has many other physiologically active substances. That's why early studies had difficulties. It was hard to determine which cannabinoid was the one causing the desired effect and which were causing the side effects - like pain relief versus mental disorientation. With an isolated cannabinoid or a synthetic, the action becomes specific and side effects can be minimized.

34 posted on 03/11/2004 8:58:02 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: krb
That's an illogical rule.

No, that's his game. Make a bogus claim, repeat it often as possible instead of responding, attack, lie, and obfuscate. He'd make a good DemoRat.

35 posted on 03/11/2004 9:01:03 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: cinFLA
You proved my point. Smoked marijuana is not going to be a medicine.

Again you ignore facts that get in your way. Smoked marijuana already has been and already is a medicine.

Your insistence is like saying George Bush will never be President because he already is President.

Can you grasp that at all? It is too late to say smoked marijuana will never be a medicine after it already has been used as one.

36 posted on 03/11/2004 9:08:02 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: krb; cinFLA
Summary of the cinFLA argument:

C: Charlton Heston will never be a movie star.
O: What do you mean? Charlton Heston is a great movie star.
C: Charlton Heston will never be a movie star.
O: Heston starred in big films like the Ten Commandments, Ben Hur, Planet of the Apes, Midway, Soylent Green, and Touch of Evil.
C: Charlton Heston will never be a movie star.
O: He may not appear in any more movies now that he's ill but he's one of the all time great movie stars.
C: You made my point. Charlton Heston will never be a movie star.
O: You're an idiot.
C: Charlton Heston will never be a movie star.

That's how all his 'contributions' go.

37 posted on 03/11/2004 9:35:48 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Ophiucus
Summary of the Ophiucus argument. >>>> Legalize crack and all our problems will go up in smoke.
38 posted on 03/11/2004 9:43:01 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Summary of the Ophiucus argument. >>>> Legalize crack and all our problems will go up in smoke.

And there is yet another lie.

Was legalization mentioned anywhere? Did I even hint at legalizing crack?

No - you lied. Again.

Using the body's endogenous cannabinoid receptors to develop and use better cannabinoid medicines for treatment of medical conditions from addiction and obesity to control of chronic pain and epileptic seizures. That was mentioned but you failed to comprehend the subject - again - and had to lie - again.

39 posted on 03/11/2004 9:55:55 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Ophiucus
Did I even hint at legalizing crack?

Do you deny you are for legalization of crack?

40 posted on 03/11/2004 9:57:13 AM PST by cinFLA
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