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To: VadeRetro
"You introduced ICR's accelerated-decay-rate theory to explain the lack of C14 in coal."

Wrong again! At least not in this thread. I reviewed every post I made in this thread, I've kept the discussion to fossils and stayed away from rate decay arguments.

You can't refute that ICR is right that there is too much unaccounted for C-14 in those fossils. So instead, you pick out some of ICR's work that at present they call nothing more than an investigation and ongoing work, and try to present it as a false and unproven claim to discredit ICR. Now that's intellectual dishonesty.

196 posted on 03/12/2004 6:21:11 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
I misread your 133 a little, but only a little. It's about differences relative abundance, not rate decay. It's still been refuted by the dendrochronology work cited elsewhere on this thread. Here's chapter and verse:

... Dr. Hovind must now explain how it was that groves of bristlecone pine trees were living in the White Mountains before Noah's flood! Did all the antediluvian bristlecone pines just happen to collect in the White Mountains after the flood, perhaps to miraculously take root? Even that straw is fatally flawed. A new generation of bristlecone pines, starting from scratch as it were, would have no overlapping tree-rings with respect to their antediluvian cousins. Overlapping tree-rings means a shared environment, and any tree which has grown in both the antediluvian environment and the modern environment is a tree which has survived Noah's flood.

How a tree, which supposedly lived in a tropical, lowland environment, survived being dumped into a high altitude environment subject to extremes of temperature, harsh winds, and desert-like conditions for part of the year, and that after being churned about in a flood for a year--a flood which was violent enough to rip up the earth's crust and pulverize great rocks, a flood which was packed with grinding sediments, is something best explained by creationists. While at it, they might also explain why there is no dramatic difference between the antediluvian treering pattern, supposedly grown under lush, tropical conditions, and the present day treering pattern which reflects a harsh environment. One would expect to see a dramatic change between big, fat treerings and thin, hard ones upon crossing that boundary in the treering sequence! Nothing of the sort is found in the 8000-year-old, tree-ring history of the bristlecone pine.

Nor are the bristlecone pines the only plants with a history refuting Noah's flood!

The King Clone creosote bush, today a patch of shrubbery 70 by 25 feet in the Mojave Desert about 80 miles northeast of Los Angeles, goes back 11,700 years! (This item comes from The Washington Post , December 10, 1984 and was noted in the Creation/Evolution Newsletter of November-December, 1984.) The evergreen shrub is called a creosote bush because it has a pungent odor like that of creosote, an oily liquid produced from coal tar.

Frank C. Vasek, a botany professor at the Riverside campus of the University of California, who found the bush, has determined that the patch of shrubbery originally began as a single plant sprouting from one seed. As the plant grew outward the interior portions died out, thus leaving a huge ring with each clump becoming a clone of the first growth. I guess Noah's flood didn't bother this desert shrub any! Did I say "desert shrub?" What is a desert doing in the supposedly tropical antediluvian world?

From here.


199 posted on 03/12/2004 6:51:00 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: DannyTN
You can't refute that ICR is right that there is too much unaccounted for C-14 in those fossils.

Perhaps this will refresh your memory:

FIGURE 4. Movement of water producing the seepage
within the Purslane sandstones.
Movement of water producing the seepage

201 posted on 03/12/2004 8:23:05 PM PST by VadeRetro
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