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I'm not sure where to start.

1 posted on 03/10/2004 7:40:41 AM PST by BenLurkin
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"Even though my mom was young, she was very, very wise"

I hate to tell you this, baby girl, but your mom made bad choices time after time after time until those choices killed her. That isn't wisdom, it is stupidity.

50 posted on 03/10/2004 8:44:57 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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Some of the comments I've read on this thread are just as shameful as the behavior of the woman in the article...

flame away....

54 posted on 03/10/2004 9:07:31 AM PST by TnMomofTwo (Hypocrisy thy name is Liberal....)
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"Those who loved Carreon grieve her loss, while at the same time marveling at her resilience."

How do you admire someone who's entire life was one self-imposed hardship after another? At some point, maybe after the third or fourth kid, you'd think she would've seen some correlation between a hard life and bad decision making.

56 posted on 03/10/2004 9:22:26 AM PST by tdadams (Whatever the problem, the government's a bigger one - Mark Steyn)
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"Even though my mom was young, she was very, very wise," Kat said.

Sorry, honey. I know you loved your mom, but she was clearly not wise. I'm drawing a blank, what is the word for 'opposite of wise'?

58 posted on 03/10/2004 9:23:53 AM PST by tdadams (Whatever the problem, the government's a bigger one - Mark Steyn)
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she had six children - all girls

Great, they can reproduce exponentially.

61 posted on 03/10/2004 9:33:20 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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I'm not sure where to start.

We could say a prayer for the family.

Lancaster, CA is in the Los Angeles County portion of the High Desert. I lived for years on the San Bernardino County side. I've seen this in my neighborhood, and with my ex's family. I could tell you some stories. Let's just say that society is regressing.

Pregnant at 12 and kicked out of the house, shows what a joke CPS really is. I did the math, she was 12 when she gave birth to her eldest child, who is now 18. An interesting detail is that Helen Carreon's sister Jodi is 21. So 3 years after Helen is kicked out, her mother has another baby. I'd love to know how many babies and fathers are in that part of the family.

It's easy enough for people to moralize and pass judgement on this woman's life. She didn't have a chance. She had what, a 6th grade education? She sure didn't have any role models to help her grow as a productive member of society.

Drug abuse? That part of the world used to be the methamphetamine capitol of America. It still is the drug of choice in those parts. It will mess you up!

I imagine there will be a lot of parking lot car washes out there in the next few weeks. In Victorville I would see them every weekend, trying to raise money for funeral expenses. If my car needed a bath, I'd pull up and give them what I had. Unfortunately, that usually wasn't more than 10 bucks.

The younger children should stay with their father. I don't see any good coming out of their oldest sister and aunt going for custody. They should get liberal visitation, because after all they've just lost their mother.

62 posted on 03/10/2004 9:36:51 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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"Even though my mom was young, she was very, very wise," Kat said.

Sorry to sound harsh, considering your loss, miss, but your mother was anything but wise.
89 posted on 10/04/2004 2:26:21 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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She chose... poorly.


90 posted on 10/04/2004 2:27:25 PM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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I spent a week in San Francisco about 15 years ago while my wife was attending a training session. Anticipating boredom, I took a camera, all my lenses and rolls of film.

The most remarkable picture I took was a closeup of a street gutter with an admixture of dead leaves, paper wrappers, silt and muddy water.

Nobody ever saw it for what it was.

Most thought it was an abstract autumn leaf-turning image; it always looked to me like a life wasted.

94 posted on 10/04/2004 2:41:46 PM PDT by Old Professer (The Truth always gets lost in the Noise.)
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It sounds cruel, but I'll say it: Mother's death is probably the best thing that could ever happen to her little girls.


99 posted on 10/04/2004 3:07:37 PM PDT by Calico Cat (the simplest solution is usually the correct one)
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Good grief.


101 posted on 10/04/2004 3:24:56 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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