White Slavery Was Much More Common Than Believed (As in enslavement of whites, not prostitution)

Newswise ^ | March 8, 2004 | Ohio State University

[cake_crumb]

"Now, now, don't go sounding like one of those 'alt.sex.stories' fantasies..... you might get the libs all hot."

LOL...you mean like certain UN employees and antiwar protestors? I don't think they need me to give them alternative sex fantasies.

[longtermmemmory]

actually its true. Under the ottoman empire those that accepted Islam were spared.

You are judging christians by modern standards. This is the same group that went to the lions and other issue just on faith.

(it also helped fortify you knowing that your own family would hang you if you betray your family and faith. Remember at the end of captain coreli to the woman who was consorting with german soldiers? That was not an exageration.)

The world has not been so nice nice as in the USA. In fact it is still pretty bloody.

During their revolution, there was one monestary that was overrun by the turks, rather than surrender the Greeks blew up the powder storage destroying the mountain top, themselves and the turkish army.

have to go right now but I will try to post more later.

[cake_crumb]

In North Africa where the enslavement of Christians is practically a daily occurance, they either convert or are sold as slaves or killed.

[Teacher317]

Looks like some of THE Ohio State University liberals might just get a small amount of actual historical education after all.

[vetvetdoug]

A movie about the life of Nathan Bedford Forrest would send the left and the NAALCP into seizures, especially if it went by historical accuracy instead of falsely written folktales and history.

[ronnieb]

I see your point, Christians were given the opportunity to convert under certain circumstances. I know this. Common sense says that did not apply under these precise circumstances. As the author says, little is known or written about these slaves. Since this was an economic activity, I doubt the slave traders offered their assets an easy out. I am aware conversion was offered to prisoners of war, and to citizens of conquered territories, Spain for example, there were advantages to converting to Islam.

[CatoRenasci]

Remember at the end of captain coreli to the woman who was consorting with german soldiers? That was not an exageration.)

????????? Do tell.

[CatoRenasci]

Nathan Bedford Forrest bump! My greatgrandfather was a good friend and close associate of Forrest during the years after THE War.

[ronnieb]

I understand what you are saying, but slavery is not a form of spreading the faith, it is done for money. The conversion "option" was offered by political, military and religious leaders, there is no doubt of that. Slave traders are neither. The most persistent slave traders in the history of the world are Moslems, to portray it as a form of prosletyzing is, I think, giving them a pretty big break. I don't believe one could simply convert, and avoid all that ugliness. They would just convert and then convert back when the traders(prosletizers) moved on.

[ronnieb]

I guess what I am saying, is that I don't believe this option was always offered. The type of slavery that is being described here is economic, they were kidnapped and enslaved as economic assets. The slave traders doing this were not political leaders or religious leaders, they were the worst form of merchant. I think any careful study of this type of slavery will confirm that. It makes no sense and it conflicts with slavery practices everywhere else. That option was not offerred to African slaves headed to Christian countries, and many of the Slaves in that market were captured or purchased by Moslem middlemen.

[CatoRenasci]

Your point about the slave traders not being proselytizers is true as far as it goes. However, once back in a Moslem country, they may well not have had a great deal of choice, depending on what was going on locally. And, surely, the individual taken in a raid was far less likely to have an option than the prisoners taken with a captured city or army. Nonetheless, the Koranic injunction was there.

[cake_crumb]

Muslim slavory is done for power AND money, both, so yes, it is about "spreading" the faith in that it's done to gain complete control of the population. Kerry/UN surrporters all of them.

[Mich0127]

I heard that on Rush...half of my family was in the Holocaust and who knows what else in earlier times...where are my reparations? Why aren't I whining? Hmm...maybe because we can MOVE ON!

[Map Kernow]

a million or more European Christians were enslaved by Muslims in North Africa between 1530 and 1780

Among these was Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, author of the greatest work of Spanish literature, Don Quixote. There are references to Cervantes' captivity in Quixote (he was eventually ransomed by the Church, after several bold escape attempts).

[Verginius Rufus]

One of the consequences of the Christian victory at the battle of Lepanto in 1571 is that some 15,000 Christian galley slaves serving in the Turkish fleet were freed. Ironically, one of the Ottoman commanders, Uluj Ali, was a Christian renegade from southern Italy who had been enslaved but had "turned Turk."

[Pilsner]

Barbary pirates slave raided into England well into the Stuart era.

[BIGZ]

--about 10 to 12 million black Africans were brought to the Americas.

Americas in this case does not mean the United States. Americas were North and So. America and the Caribbean. 5% of the 12 million arrived in the US and they won the lottery.

History as taught in the United States educational system would have us believe that all the slaves from Africa were transported by and came to the United States

[GrandEagle]

Any slave offered that deal, would take it so fast it would make your head spin. lets be real!
Not so my friend, simply not so.

[Map Kernow]

Barbary pirates slave raided into England well into the Stuart era.

Somewhere, perhaps in one of Bernard Lewis' books, I read a frightening account of a Barbary slave raid on Iceland in the early seventeenth century, in which a number of people attending a church service were enslaved and brought to Algiers.

The "War on Terror" may have begun 9/11/01, but the terrorists' war against us didn't begin then---it's been ongoing for centuries.

[Bosco]

I don't think they like us. What should we do?</sarcasm>