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Winner of Nevada's DRI award says Mars deserts same as ours
The Las Vegas Sun ^ | March 10, 2004 at 16:30:47 PST | SCOTT SONNER

Posted on 03/10/2004 10:49:11 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

RENO, Nev. (AP) - Research on Mars is helping scientists better understand the life cycles of deserts on Earth and the potential to tap aquifers deep beneath the ground, an expert said Wednesday.

"All the pictures of the Martian surface are very similar if not identical to what we see in the very dry deserts of the Earth," said Farouk El-Baz, a longtime NASA adviser being honored this week by Nevada's Desert Research Institute.

"In both places we see these channels that were formed by rain in the geologic past. We see a mixture of rocks on the surface, very much like you see here today," he said in an interview.

"The deserts of Egypt are the driest and the heart of the Sahara would be very much like Mars," he said.

El-Baz, director of Boston University's Center for Remote Sensing, recently was awarded the silver 2004 Nevada Medal and $20,000 from DRI, the nonprofit environmental research affiliated with the state's university and college system. He gave lectures Tuesday and Wednesday in Reno and planned one Thursday at DRI's Las Vegas campus.

DRI President Stephen Wells said El-Baz pioneered the use of satellite images to characterize arid landforms worldwide.

"His research defined the role of alternating wet and dry climate cycles in desert regions and identified the forces that control the accumulation of groundwater in these regions," he said.

El-Baz' most recent research has focused on alternating dry and wet cycles on earth he said are common to all deserts.

"The deserts we see today were not as dry in the past as they are today," El-Baz told The Associated Press.

"We are now in a dry cycle. The vast deserts of the world have been through at least five changes, five phases, in the last half million years," he said.

The most recent wet cycle lasted from about 11,000 years ago to about 5,000 years ago, he said. It was preceded by a dry cycle, which was preceded by another wet cycle, from about 55,000 years ago to 25,000 years ago, he said.

El-Baz believes the cycles are largely the result of solar activity - the ebb and flow in the amount of energy the Earth receives from the sun based primarily on changes in the number of nuclear explosions on the sun's surface as well as the rotation of the sun on its own axis.

"When the earth receives a great deal of solar energy, the heating causes evaporation of water from the equatorial seas, which expands the cloud belt, which results in a great deal of rain and causes the desert to shrink," he said.

"During the years when the Earth receives less energy from the sun ... the desert expands," he said.

Within those major cycles are smaller cycles that also have an impact on deserts, he said.

Records of Nile River levels that the ancient Egyptians started 2,000 to 2,500 years ago suggest wet and dry cycles lasting about 135 years at a time.

"They kept very good records because that was the basis for the way they taxed farmers. The taxes were higher when the river was high," he said.

In addition, there is evidence of sun spots spiking in 22-year cycles, he said. There also appears to be some verification of the Holy Bible's references to 7-year drought cycles in Northern Africa and the Middle East - seven years of plenty followed by seven years of dryness and famine, he said.

"We are tying this all together," El-Baz said.

"It tells us there will be major climate changes over time caused by the sun, so we better find ways to monitor those changes so we can respond to them," he said.

A native of Egypt, El-Baz served as a science adviser to the late president of Egypt, Anwar Sadat. He currently is analyzing satellite images to evaluate ground water potential in arid tracts of eastern Arabia.

Because it rains a great deal during desert wet cycles, low areas like the U.S. Great Basin collected significant amounts of water at various times, he said.

"A great deal of that water would have seeped through the rock beneath. And much of it is still stored there as groundwater. That is why we should be looking for additional amounts of groundwater beneath deserts," he said.

"We have tested that in Egypt and found great sources of water."

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On the Net:

Desert Research Institute: http://www.dri.edu/

Boston University Center for Remote Sensing: http://www.bu.edu/remotesensing/

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KEYWORDS: deserts; mars
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1 posted on 03/10/2004 10:49:11 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: farmfriend; NormsRevenge; Phil V.
fyi
2 posted on 03/10/2004 10:50:16 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Bump
3 posted on 03/10/2004 10:52:11 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Support Our Troops! ... Thrash the demRats in November!!! ... Beat BoXer!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Wow, such insight.

No wonder people say, "then why did you have to spend millions going to Mars?"

I agree with the NASA program, but this guy should learn some Vegas pizazz!
4 posted on 03/10/2004 10:53:54 PM PST by Fledermaus (Democrats! The party of total Anarchy!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
So, he is actually saying that ground water is a renewable resource and we should harvest and utilize it. The enviro Nazis yell that ground water is non replaceable, liars all.
5 posted on 03/10/2004 11:47:30 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
bttt
6 posted on 03/10/2004 11:50:40 PM PST by Drammach (I'm fine, just need coffee....)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Is this is really a Spirit photo? - I'm having my doubts - at the bottom of the image is what appears to be a conglomerate rock!


7 posted on 03/11/2004 1:32:50 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
There's a real hard crust where the soil is light in color -salts from evaporative process?


8 posted on 03/11/2004 1:45:29 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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In the previous pic look at the rock at the bottom of image which has been pushed into the ground - looks like nodules or "salt" crystals around the edge of the hole.
9 posted on 03/11/2004 1:52:46 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Fitzcarraldo
interesting, from whence came the pictures?
10 posted on 03/11/2004 7:31:55 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
That looks like a small cavity below the surface collapsed, and a line of rocks became sunken into the ground. Recently too - the sharp edges haven't been worn away by blowing dust/sand.
11 posted on 03/11/2004 7:33:22 AM PST by green iguana (“There is no worse lie than a truth misunderstood by those who hear it.” – William James)
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To: green iguana
This is along a rover wheel track, I think. The rocks are close enough together for the rover to avoid contacting soil. A lot of the sharp edges you see on Mars are "ventifacts", rock faces that have been carved by the windblown sand.
12 posted on 03/11/2004 8:17:51 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
They are from the Spirit raw pancam image page at http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_p066.html
13 posted on 03/11/2004 8:20:48 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: NormsRevenge; Phil V.; blam; Fitzcarraldo
Renewed ping for photos from
14 posted on 03/11/2004 8:24:20 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Photos from Fitzcarraldo.... duh.
15 posted on 03/11/2004 8:25:01 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: All
Spirit pancam - Sol 66:

What the heck is this?


16 posted on 03/11/2004 8:29:23 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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correction in previous image - it's from Sol 67.

From Spirit Nav-cam Sol 67 - what is going on here? Camera malfunction?? - what are these needle-like objects???


17 posted on 03/11/2004 8:34:51 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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The image info says the last one was taken at 1:54 local Mars time - are these images of the night sky??
18 posted on 03/11/2004 8:38:12 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Fitzcarraldo
That looks like star-tracks, with the spots being sensor noise.
19 posted on 03/11/2004 8:40:27 AM PST by green iguana (“There is no worse lie than a truth misunderstood by those who hear it.” – William James)
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Image 16 was taken at 2:08 local - these look like star trails. I wonder why the night photography though?
20 posted on 03/11/2004 8:41:42 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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