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Chamber seeks policy that legalizes crossers
Arizona Daily Star ^ | 11 March 2004 | Howard Fischer - Capitol Media Sevices

Posted on 03/11/2004 4:39:52 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder

PHOENIX - The state's largest business organization is crafting a policy calling for the United States to legalize the status of 10 million or more people who have crossed into the country illegally.

The move comes as the Arizona House of Representatives is set to consider penalizing businesses that knowingly hire illegal immigrants. The legislation could put errant companies out of business. The Arizona Chamber of Commerce hopes its pending policy, though it has no force of law, will undermine support for that bill, said spokesman Farrell Quinlan.

At this point the chamber's best hope rests not with House Republicans who generally support business interests, but with Democrats, who hold the swing votes here.

That is because many Republicans back HB 2595 despite the chamber's opposition.

The chamber wants to maintain a supply of workers for the economy while keeping the state out of the business of enforcing immigration laws.

At issue is the proposal by Rep. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, to impose penalties on any employer found to have violated federal immigration laws. These carry their own penalties, ranging from fines to prison terms for employers who have a pattern of violating the statute.

Pearce's legislation would impose what amounts to a warning for any firm found guilty of a single violation.

A second offense would result in a six-month suspension of any state license, certification, permit or charter. And a third offense would mean permanent revocation.

The chamber's board is set to vote on its policy Friday, just days before Pearce's bill would come to the House floor. But Quinlan said the chamber's plan has been in the works since last summer.

The chamber also opposes an initiative drive, dubbed Protect Arizona Now, which aims to reduce illegal border crossing by denying public services to those not citizens or legal residents.

But the business group likes the January proposal by President Bush for a new guest-worker program.

The timing of chamber action is crucial for Democrats who had provided the votes to get the Pearce measure approved by the first committee it faced.

"We passed it out … to get the chamber to sit down and have a serious talk about their positions on immigration," said House Minority Leader John Loredo, D-Phoenix. "We have done that and we are confident that they are moving in the right direction."

Loredo called the chamber's positions on immigration very favorable.

A key point of that policy is saying the United States should not try to deport those already here. Instead the draft policy says these people should be identified and registered.

"They need to be brought in from out of the shadows," said Quinlan.

At the same time, the chamber wants "additional legal avenues for those who wish to work in our economy." That includes a new temporary-worker program to match employees with employers and a defined path to permanent residency for these workers as well as their dependents.

The chamber opposes anything that could put employers out of business for what it sees as a law enforcement problem. Business people are not experts at spotting forged documents, Quinlan said. Pearce isn't convinced.

"Nobody's going to get caught 'accidentally,' " he said. Pearce said only those companies that "continually, flagrantly violate the law" will be at risk under his bill.

He also said the chamber is out of step with many of its own members who do not hire illegal entrants and find themselves being underbid by firms that do.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; azaliens; azpolitics; enforcement; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist
Heaven forbid that we should try to enforce the laws -- especially if there's a few shekels to be made by bending them.
1 posted on 03/11/2004 4:39:53 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder
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To: HiJinx; SandRat; Spiff; AZHSer; idratherbepainting; gubamyster; Happy2BMe; B4Ranch; Gallegos
Ping!
2 posted on 03/11/2004 4:42:23 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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IIRC, Russ Pearce's legislation has been in the news for well over a month. The Arizona Repulsive had an article last Sunday about Hispanic groups teaming up with a pair of Democrat legislators in the Arizona House to force a vote on this subject...hoping that Republicans would kill it in the interest of protecting 'big business.'

Looks like they've miscalculated.

3 posted on 03/11/2004 8:21:49 PM PST by HiJinx (Patriotism will prevail if we do.)
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To: HiJinx
that knowingly hire illegal immigrants aliens.

There is the loop-hole, proving they "knowingly" hired is going to be the hard part to prove.

4 posted on 03/11/2004 8:25:15 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry is not indecisive and wishy-washy. He consistantly gives aid and comfort to our enemies.)
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To: SAMWolf
I dunno, SAM. It would be hard to prove they knowingly hired illegals. OTOH, with a perceptive HR manager, it wouldn't be hard to keep them out.

Mrs. HJ ran the HR shop for a major retail outlet for 7 years...she could spot a bad apple in a heartbeat and generally had no problem telling them they weren't getting a job. It boils down to whether or not the corporate (or store level) ethic allows for the hiring of illegals.

Again, proving it is the hard part. Reasonably authentic looking documents aren't that hard to obtain, not when you can afford over $1500 for the coyote to bring you across the border.

5 posted on 03/11/2004 8:34:20 PM PST by HiJinx (Patriotism will prevail if we do.)
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To: HiJinx
It boils down to whether or not the corporate (or store level) ethic allows for the hiring of illegals.

One of the main problems in a hutshell.

6 posted on 03/11/2004 8:46:04 PM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry is not indecisive and wishy-washy. He consistantly gives aid and comfort to our enemies.)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
The Arizona Chamber of Commerce hopes its pending policy will be the downfall of America.
7 posted on 03/11/2004 8:57:14 PM PST by B4Ranch (Don't be so open-minded your brains fall out.)
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To: B4Ranch
Yes, it's hard to criticize local governments when they're just taking their lead from the Feds.

Wish I had something more constructive to suggest than "ropes".
8 posted on 03/11/2004 9:30:49 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Sic semper tyrannis.)
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To: NewRomeTacitus
If we re-elect the Prez or elect Kerry, get ready for massive cultural changes.

It really pisses me off that neither one of them have any interest in enforcing the written, proven legal law. What makes them think they have been given the task of changing our country for the worse?

Allowing 10 million illegal aliens to cross our border without any scrutinization by the Border Patrol goes way beyond the authorized job of any President. It fits the job of a traitor and terrorist much better.

9 posted on 03/11/2004 10:05:00 PM PST by B4Ranch (Don't be so open-minded your brains fall out.)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

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10 posted on 03/11/2004 10:20:19 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: Sabertooth
Isn't that cute how Jokake Construction has little adobe dwellings in their logo? This is what I mean by the costs of cultural degradation. We're being trained to accept third world conditions as the "cost of doing business".
11 posted on 03/11/2004 10:42:25 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: B4Ranch
"I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

It's way past time to tighten up this oath. There is too much room for semantic "loopholing" as long as the Federal Courts keep rewriting the meaning of the plainly written Constitution. How about a Popeye-inspired amendment saying "I mean what I say and that's what I mean, period."
12 posted on 03/11/2004 10:56:16 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: JackelopeBreeder
"The state's largest business organization is crafting a policy calling for the United States to legalize the status of 10 million or more people who have crossed into the country illegally."

Well at least the enemy has come out of hiding.
13 posted on 03/12/2004 5:28:47 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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