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In Spain: ETA and Al-Qaeda Forge New Anti-EU Alliance (2001)
New California Media ^ | October 1, 2001 | Paolo Pontoniere

Posted on 03/12/2004 6:21:05 AM PST by livius

In Spain: ETA and Al-Qaeda Forge New Anti-EU Alliance NCM Online, By Paolo Pontoniere, October 1, 2001

The Basque terrorist organization ETA and bin Laden's al-Qaeda cells have joined forces. Their shared goal: to organize and carry out an attack on the EU meeting scheduled for March 2002 in Barcelona, according to two Spanish publications, Tiempo and El Mundo.

According to the reports, which have been confirmed by Italian and French media, representatives of the two terrorist organizations have already met together three times in Brussels in December 2000; in Malaga, Spain in February 2001; and in Barcelona last July.

According to the European reports, the terrorists have planned a suicide attack on the meeting that would entail the use of five car bombs provided by ETA, and delivered by five al-Qaeda suicide drivers. European authorities consider this news credible, and have disclosed that Mohammed Atta--one of the terrorists responsible for the early September attack on the World Trade Center--may have also attended the July meeting between ETA and al-Qaeda in Barcelona.

In its report, Tiempo revealed that, thanks to a tip-off by US Navy intelligence, Spanish authorities were able to prevent another al-Qaeda attack last December. This one would have involved striking American aircraft carriers with suicide vessels filled with the deadly explosive C-4. The attack--like the assault on the USS Cole in a Yemeni port--was scheduled to take place as the two aircraft carriers would have readied to moor at NATO's Rota navy base near Cadiz. The suicide motor boats would have departed from the nearby coast of Morocco, a country with a significant Muslim population.

Spain, because of its proximity to Morocco and Algeria, has experienced a significant influx of Muslim immigrants. According to authorities, there are now about 500,000 Muslim immigrants living in Spain. Experts estimate that, among these emigres, are about 100 al-Qaeda agents ready at any moment to hit a Spanish or American target.

Since 1996, the Spanish police have formed a special unit dedicated to investigating the activities of these terrorists. In addition, Spanish prime minister José-Maria Azanar has pledged troops to any American-led coalition to fight international terrorism. Azanar has also allowed the US to use NATO navy bases in Rota and Moron to carry out air strikes against terrorist targets.

Although enjoying broad-based support at home for his commitment to the US, Azanar may find that his position could cause troubles for Spain abroad. In fact, neighboring Morocco, separated from Spain by the narrow strait of Gibraltar, is home to 4.5 million Islamic fundamentalists, who may become angered at Spain's generous support of America.

Such a development could push young Moroccan king Mohammed VI into the fray, forcing him to face Islamic fundamentalist terrorism, as in neighboring Algeria. There, the government has been embroiled in a bloody and protracted war with indigenous Islamic terrorists for years.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 31104; alqaeda; alqaedaspain; eta; jihadineurope; madrid; madridmassacre; spain; yusufgalan
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Well, well, well. Look what I found. This report is from 2001.
1 posted on 03/12/2004 6:21:06 AM PST by livius
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To: Eurotwit; Catspaw; Ippolita; HAL9000; crazycat
The smoking gun? This article found a connection between ETA and Al Qaeda right after 9/11. I'll have to do more research to find the original sources, but it looks like we have something important here.
2 posted on 03/12/2004 6:26:43 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
That is absolutely flabbergasting !!

Thank you !!
3 posted on 03/12/2004 6:27:37 AM PST by genefromjersey (So little time - so many FLAMES to light !!)
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To: livius
representatives of the two terrorist organizations have already met together three times in Brussels in December 2000; in Malaga, Spain in February 2001; and in Barcelona last July.

Somebody's got some detailed info on this.

4 posted on 03/12/2004 6:27:54 AM PST by livius
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To: genefromjersey
I know. I was just doing a random search looking for connections between ETA and Islam when this popped up.
5 posted on 03/12/2004 6:28:44 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
Even before reading this I think this is a joint operation with ETA, or rogue members of ETA along with Al Qaeda or some other Islamikazis. The simultaneous bombs and the viciously high death toll mark this as an Islamikazi influenced operation. With ETA perhaps knowing the Spanish train system better and where, when to bomb.
6 posted on 03/12/2004 6:30:27 AM PST by dennisw (“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”)
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To: dennisw
Kerry: "terrorism exaggerated."
7 posted on 03/12/2004 6:35:18 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: livius
Great find!
8 posted on 03/12/2004 6:37:17 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: dennisw
the terrorists have planned a suicide attack on the meeting that would entail the use of five car bombs provided by ETA, and delivered by five al-Qaeda suicide drivers.

Within the last couple of months, the Spanish police hvae caught several ETA members headed towards Madrid or towards train stations, bringing loads of explosives or even, in one case, a suitcase bomb. I wonder if it was their job to get this stuff to the al Qaeda terrorists, who would then take care of getting it onto the trains and detonating it.

The outlying stations where two of the trains were bombed are neighborhoods with many "immigrants," which in Spain usually means Moroccans, Arabs and Africans (and Latin Americans). In any case, it certainly would have been easy for Arab members of al Qaeda to blend in in these neighborhoods, pick up the explosives and board the train there. I saw at least one report of a suicide bomber, although that report seems to have quietly disappeared.

9 posted on 03/12/2004 6:37:36 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
Fantastic find.

When you think it through, this is the most likely view of what is going on. All these terrorist groups are connected together behind the curtain. A cute name is usually used to just throw off investigators.
10 posted on 03/12/2004 6:41:19 AM PST by snooker (Drag a 'botox gigolo' through a swamp, and some dumb gator will always bite.)
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To: snooker
Here's an interesting article posted by Eurotwit discussing AQ's possible strategy in the Madrid bombing:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1096136/posts?page=5
11 posted on 03/12/2004 6:45:26 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
FoxNews reporter this morning said al-Qaeda might start (if they haven't already) 'contracting' out to internal terrorist groups. Qaeda would provide financial and expertise with internal group providing local knowledge and personnel to carry out atrocities.
12 posted on 03/12/2004 6:46:21 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: livius
Good find. I am sure there are plenty of others out there as well. I think it is fairly well known among intelligence agencies that these various terrorist groups have cultivated a relationship with one another, e.g., the IRA trained in Libya. This is why the Bush Doctrine is one of the boldest and most important foreign policy initiatives in decades. In order to combat terrorism, we need to go after the terrorists and the states that harbor them.
13 posted on 03/12/2004 6:46:28 AM PST by kabar
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Right! I just wish our media would get busy and do some digging, except that they probably agree with Kerry.

The only decent articles I am finding on this are from the European and Aussie press (with the exception of the one slightly obscure source for this article).
14 posted on 03/12/2004 6:47:03 AM PST by livius
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To: kabar
In order to combat terrorism, we need to go after the terrorists and the states that harbor them.

That's true, and I hope it's something Spaniards remember when they go to vote on Sunday.

15 posted on 03/12/2004 6:48:14 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
It is certainly dramatic news if these attacks were an ETA/Al Qaeda combo.
16 posted on 03/12/2004 6:48:25 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: livius
It is odd that this link have not been mentioned much in the media coverage.
17 posted on 03/12/2004 6:49:07 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
Yes, the stunning thing is that the connections were known of (including the actual meetings) long before today.

I'm going to check the Spanish newspaper morgues and see if I can find the original El Mundo or El Tiempo reports.
18 posted on 03/12/2004 6:50:20 AM PST by livius
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To: Eurotwit
It hasn't been mentioned at all, that I have seen.
19 posted on 03/12/2004 6:50:53 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
The War on Terrorism is a World War.

It must be fought as such.

Sorry, Kerry, the threat isn't exaggerated. It is real and it is persistent. This war can't be won by appeasement.
20 posted on 03/12/2004 6:54:58 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: livius
I think I read somewhere here on freerepublic in relation to these attacks that an Al Qaeda meeting with ETA broke up because the arabs refused to deal with one of the ETA terrorists who was female.
21 posted on 03/12/2004 6:57:17 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: All
googling shows ETA connections to Mexico. One article suggests that kidnapping -- the ETA moneymaker -- was a blueprint for what's become a cottage industry in Mexico; to wit, "with some security experts tracking its [kidnapping] rise to the 1994 kidnapping of banker Alfredo Harp Helú -- and thus maybe by extension to Basque planners or perpetrators."

Also, it looks like ETA's entry into Mexico was aided by every one of dem Rats' friend Danny Ortega's Marxist Sandinistas. Thank you, Jim Wright.

Morocco, separated from Spain by the narrow strait of Gibraltar, is home to 4.5 million Islamic fundamentalists, who may become angered at Spain's generous support of America.

Interesting. I've read articles about how Spanish citizens object to the presence of these ILLEGAL immigrants, sometimes violently. The ILLEGALS are feeling the pressure and are heartened by President Bush's "willing worker" plan. They look forward to being invited to America.

22 posted on 03/12/2004 7:01:56 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
ETA is scattered throughout LatAm and gets lots of its money from its activities (legal and illegal) there.

What I was looking for when I found this article was a report that the head of ETA in Mexico had converted to Islam a couple of years ago.

Curiously enough, when I checked out a few Basque websites that I suspect might be ETA in orientation, I found numerous references to Islam. This is getting stranger and stranger.
23 posted on 03/12/2004 7:05:05 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
SkyNews just reporting now that the terrorists used copper detonators which is not used by the ETA..
24 posted on 03/12/2004 7:16:25 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: livius
Good find bump
25 posted on 03/12/2004 7:21:05 AM PST by Marylander
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To: Eurotwit
That's certainly interesting! The explosive itself, supposedly, was the type favored by ETA.

I think this thing is going to take a completely unpredictable turn, in terms of its political effect, if it can be shown that BOTH Al Qaeda and ETA were involved.
26 posted on 03/12/2004 7:24:44 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
This report makes you wonder if yesterday's massacre in Madrid was a "joint venture" by ETA an Al-Qaida. Hopefully, the attacks are making Spaniards opposed to their government's anti-terrorism alliance with the United States have second thoughts.
27 posted on 03/12/2004 7:44:40 AM PST by rrstar96 (Strength and Honor!)
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To: livius
I wonder if the detonators on the bombs match up with those found in the van...
28 posted on 03/12/2004 7:54:11 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: livius; StriperSniper; Mo1; Howlin
Nice find................
29 posted on 03/12/2004 7:56:29 AM PST by OXENinFLA (KERRY KNEW HIS MIC WAS ON!!!!!!)
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To: livius
Hey, I found the document I read yesterday about ETA and Al Qaeda..

" Bin Laden's Terror Networks in Europe (Long but informative) The Mackenzie Institute ^ | May 26, 2002 | Emerson Vermaat

[SNIP]

4. Spain, Italy and the Balkans

The closeness of Spain and Portugal to North Africa make them important targets for illegal migrants seeking entry into the European Union. Spain accuses the Moroccan police of cooperating with migrant traffickers who pay corrupt officials to turn a blind eye. Spanish authorities now speak of an invasion. [ 66 ] Moroccan criminal networks in Spain are involved in money-laundering, and trafficking in drugs and human beings.

Increasingly, Spain faces the problem of young North African and Arab immigrants using its territory as a meeting place for staging terrorist attacks elsewhere. Spain is considered a safe haven for terrorists where the risks of police interference are minimal. Spanish police estimate that about two hundred Islamic extremists with ties to eighteen terrorist groups entered Spain in 2000. [ 67 ] While French security and intelligence services have gathered detailed information on Islamist terrorist networks for more than two decades, the Spanish services are still poorly equipped to face a problem that is relatively new to them. For years, their focus has been on the homegrown terrorism of the Basque separatist movement ETA.

Spanish authorities now fear that the Islamist and Basque radicals have formed an alliance of sorts. Some ETA terrorists visited the same Middle Eastern training camps as a number of Islamic extremists.

Representatives from ETA and Osama Bin Laden reportedly met in Brussels, but there were frictions after the Islamic fundamentalists refused to continue the meeting in the presence of a Basque woman who preferred to stay.

Spanish sources claim that Mohammed Atta, the suicide pilot from Hamburg who was the first to fly into the World Trade Center in New York, also tried to forge links between al-Qaeda and ETA terrorists. [ 68 ] Just before Christmas 1999, ETA planned an attack on the Picasso Tower in Madrid. The American architect of the Picasso Tower was Minoru Yamasaki, who also designed the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in Manhattan; but it is not clear whether ETA got the idea from Muslim extremists. [ 69 ] What is known is that al-Qaeda cells in Europe, the United States and Canada planned terrorist attacks around Christmas 1999 and the subsequent Millennium celebrations.

Atta in Spain

[BIG SNIP--see original link for much more info on Al Qaeda in Spain]"

30 posted on 03/12/2004 7:57:49 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: livius
This Google Search yields interesting results:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=ETA+Al+Qaeda&spell=1

Some of the listings are Spanish docs that Google makes an attempt to translate. They give me the impression that the ETA has been mostly driven underground, and that it would make sense that ETA and Al Qaeda are cooperating.

Specific language that I can't quite seem to get to would be nice.
31 posted on 03/12/2004 7:57:54 AM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: Eurotwit
from this link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/867403/posts
32 posted on 03/12/2004 7:59:45 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: livius
Also, here is a "hilarious" answer-nonanswer from the dreaded Council on Foreign Relations:

http://cfrterrorism.org/groups/eta.html

Does ETA have ties to al Qaeda?

No. ETA’s secular nationalist agenda has nothing to do with the Islamist fundamentalism of Osama bin Laden’s terrorist network, and there is no credible evidence of any systematic cooperation between ETA and al Qaeda, experts say. But Qaeda cells have been discovered in Spain. In November 2001, Spanish authorities arrested eight men suspected of being Qaeda operatives involved in the September 11 attacks. One of these men reportedly had past links with ETA’s unofficial political wing, Batasuna, which the Spanish Supreme Court banned in March 2003. In September 2003, Spanish judge Baltasar Garzon said the September 11 attacks were partially planned in Spain.

So they don't have ties to Al Qaeda but they arrested an Al Qaeda guy with an ETA past. Yeah, that makes sense.

33 posted on 03/12/2004 8:04:04 AM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: livius
Excellent find!


suicide vessels filled with the deadly explosive C-4
Hm. They really ought to use non-deadly explosives...

34 posted on 03/12/2004 8:05:38 AM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Eurotwit
Talkng about the posibility on FNC now.
35 posted on 03/12/2004 8:06:06 AM PST by StriperSniper (Manuel Miranda - Whistleblower)
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To: livius
Good find! If the European Left join them, we're in trouble. I hope that the Leftists aren't that stupid.
36 posted on 03/12/2004 8:08:19 AM PST by Eva
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To: Eurotwit
Here's a little incidental info from something called WW3 report - I had read it earlier in the Mexican press, but couldn't find it when somebody asked about it yesterday 6:

RADICAL ISLAMIC SECT TARGETS CHIAPAS

... Most of the converts apparently live in the community of La Esperanza outside San Cristobal, and were introduced to Islam by Spanish missionaries from the Morocco-based Murabitun World Movement. One of the missionaries, Aureliano Perez, was reportedly deported by Mexican immigration authorities in 1998 for his links to both the Zapatistas and the Basque separatist group ETA. Perez denied the charges. (EFE, May 26, 2001) The Murabitun take their name from the medieval Berber dynasty in Spain, and their web site (www.murabitun.org) reads: "Throughout a post-Christian West of unprecedented darkness, the Murabitun are springing up like the dragon's teeth and have established communities centered around Ribats, or outposts, at highly significant points throughout the world...

All these things seem like wheels within wheels.

This, actually, was not even the report I was looking for - I was seeking a report on some radical Muslims who were deported from Mexico last summer or fall for their activities. In the course of the article, it mentioned that the head of ETA in Mexico (not sure if this would be Perez or not) had converted to Islam. I still can't find the details on that one, though.

But there do appear to be connections.

37 posted on 03/12/2004 8:14:31 AM PST by livius
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To: Eurotwit
Great article! It's clear that this connection must be fairly well known. Heck, if we can find it out from the newspapers, I'm sure people in security services must know a lot more about it. (I hope so, at least.)
38 posted on 03/12/2004 8:16:14 AM PST by livius
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To: Eva
I think the European left (some of it, at least) has already joined them.
39 posted on 03/12/2004 8:17:24 AM PST by livius
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To: litany_of_lies
Great search - if there's any particular article in Spanish that you're interested in, let me know and I'll translate it for you.

There appear to be a number of juicy articles turned up by that search.
40 posted on 03/12/2004 8:20:52 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
Check this out:

Link (to Google Translation of a "The New Cuba" document--shaky translation but you can follow it):

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.lanuevacuba.com/archivo/notic-01-11-1703.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbatasuna%2BAl%2BQaeda%26start%3D30%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN

ONE OF The "STOPPED SLEEPERS" OF Al-qaeda IN MADRID WAS ELECTORAL INSPECTOR OF ETA

WORLD WAR To the TERRORISM the disarticulation of a cell of Bin Laden the police is seized of videos of the chechena war where mujaidines the Qaeda in Spain assassinates to Russians the police within the framework discovered a surprising data of the operation against A: Yusuf > Gallant, one of the arrested ones, was electoral inspector of HB in 1989, although it does not seem that the bond between this man and the Basque coalition were deeper.

By And MartÍn De Pozuelo
Santiago TarÍn
Barcelona
The Vanguard
Barcelona
Spain
November 16, 2001

"Yusuf" Gallant, one of the prisoners within the framework of the operation Date against a cell of "sleepers" of A the Qaeda in Spain, was inspector of Herri Batasuna in the elections to the European Parliament of 1989, according to informed to "the Vanguard" sources into the investigation. The police, on the other hand, showed yesterday taken part videos the group where it can be seen how mujaidines assassinates to a Russian soldier during the war of Chechenia; tapes that were used like propaganda to catch new members for the organization of Ossama Bin Laden.

"Yusuf" Gallant was along with captured ten people more in an operation baptized like Date and directed against A the Qaeda in Spain, and that has been coordinated by the magistrate of the National Hearing Balthasar Garzón. The cast was settled with the halting of eleven people, ten in Madrid and one in Granada.

In fact, Gallant is called Luis Jose, but he changed his name when becoming to the Islam. It is of Spanish nationality and it resides habitually in the State Capital.

The collaboration of Gallant with HB is a data, surprising, that was known after its arrest. The investigators of the police have verified that Gallant acted as inspector of HB in an electoral table of Madrid during the elections to the European Parliament which the 15 of June of 1989 were celebrated in Spain. In any case, the degree of relation of this man with the Basque coalition is not known, although it is possible that it does not go beyond offering itself for this task.

The circumstance that occurs "Yusuf" Gallant was interviewed shortly before its halting by a television network. It happened during a news article that the CNN+ was making in the mosque of Madrid, in which pressed the opinion of the people who were there. Accidentally, one of the asked ones was Gallant, who showed his support talibán and he did not lament the terrorist attacks of of last 11 September against the United States.

Indeed, this attack is in the center of the searches that follows the police under the direction of the magistrate of the National Hearing Balthasar Garzón. According to it has been able to know "the Vanguard", is tracks that aim at the direct relation between the prisoners - and in special his ringleader, Imad Eddin Barakat Yarbas, alias "Abu Dahhdah" - with the people who participated in 11-S. In addition to some financial transactions, activities of Abu Dahdah have been detected that during the long investigation were inexplicable for the police people in charge but who, at sight of the happened thing for two months in the United States, they have been receiving sense. Nevertheless, it seems that the prisoners did not get to see themselves with the pilot forces suicide on Mohamed Atta.

On the other hand, the chief of a main directorate of the Police, Juan Cotino, kept awake yesterday that other three direct collaborators of Ossama Bin Laden were in Spain. One is Abu Muhgen, Ian Frost and Omar Deghayes.

The police showed yesterday to part of the seized material the cell of "sleepers", between whom there are documentation and falsified credit cards, four million pesetas in cash, cutting weapons and of fire of 22 caliber and propaganda that was used to catch to new followers for the organization To the Qaeda.

For the proselitismo, the "sleepers" used as much magazines as elaborated videotapes during the war of Chechenia, in which she can see itself how mujaidines assassinates a young Russian soldier who has been captured by a battalion of these guerrillas.

As he advanced "the Vanguard yesterday", the cell leader was Abu Dahdah, envoy to Spain to replace Anwar Adnan Mohamed Salah, alias "Cheij Salah", that until now was responsible for one of the fields of training of guerrillas of Afghanistan.
41 posted on 03/12/2004 8:23:40 AM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: litany_of_lies
Interesting indeed - Operación Dátil (Operation Date, as in the edible desert fruit) was very successful. I remember reading about "Yusuf Gallant" at the time.

I note that all of these people immediately declare that they weren't really much of anything in ETA. Possible, I suppose, but you don't have to be a big deal in ETA to be involved in some very bad things. The last few arrests of ETA members who were transporting explosives have involved very young people without criminal records or even records of political activism.
42 posted on 03/12/2004 8:31:51 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
I think that a lot of the American left has joined Al Qaeda, as well. If it becomes obvious that the European left is willing to capitulate to the demands of the terrorists, will the American left follow? Will Kerry and his gang follow, as well?
43 posted on 03/12/2004 8:47:00 AM PST by Eva
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To: livius
To me, the involvement of very young people is an indication of desperation (running out of adults who are interested perhaps), and is consistent with the reductions in attacks by the ETA over the past decade.

My take on this is that ETA remnants have forged an alliance of convenience and survival with Al Qaeda.

Another item I read pointed out that the Basque territory includes part of France, and that the French had been cooperating with Spain in the crackdown. This shows that the French alert levels announced yesterday have a justification.

As to translation, if you have the stomach for this, I think there is something substantive here:

http://www.goizargi.com/2000-01/divideteyvenceras.htm

A Google translation that decided to stop translating about 2/3 of the way through is here:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.goizargi.com/2000-01/divideteyvenceras.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3DETA%2BAl%2BQuaeda%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8

I wish I knew what the "MNLV" that is mentioned in this article is.
44 posted on 03/12/2004 8:47:38 AM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: litany_of_lies
MNLV is Movimiento Nacional de Liberación Vasca (National Basque Liberation Movement), a sort of predeccessor of ETA and several other Basque radical groups. Here's some more info on them: http://www.ehj-navarre.org/navarre/na_history_mnlv.html.

I'll go check out the other article.
45 posted on 03/12/2004 8:58:21 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
Bump!
46 posted on 03/12/2004 9:01:07 AM PST by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: livius
This most excellent catch by livius suggests to me that old media is accelerating in its descent into irrelevance.

Information such as this is what we used to hope for, if not demand or expect, from old media. But it seems old media have abandoned their function as truth finders. They seem to have resigned themselves to the sorry role of grateful middle-men, dispensing leaks and document dumps from the DNC ministry of propaganda to the public. I don't think I'm exaggerating this state of affairs in the least.

I am so proud of Freepers for the good work they do in searching for Truth. I used to say metaphorically that Free Republic was my primary source of news, but I mean it more and more literally as old media continues to disappoint and disgust me.

Outstanding reporting, livius.
47 posted on 03/12/2004 9:14:55 AM PST by PonyTailGuy (pony tails are for girls)
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To: livius
Good catch.
48 posted on 03/12/2004 9:31:49 AM PST by Prodigal Son (Liberal ideas are deadlier than second hand smoke.)
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To: livius
GREAT FIND!
49 posted on 03/12/2004 9:45:43 AM PST by jslade (People who are easily offended, OFFEND ME!)
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To: PonyTailGuy
Thanks! I get most of my news from FR, too. Anything else is increasingly a waste of time.
50 posted on 03/12/2004 10:54:57 AM PST by livius
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