TWO WITNESSES COULD END KERRY PRESIDENTIAL RUN -- "The Phoenix Project"

various sources | 3-12-04 | dfu

[OXENinFLA]

State once again may hold keys to the White House By Toby Eckert COPLEY NEWS SERVICE March 8, 2004

"I think those of us who voted for him in 2000 learned our lesson," said Scott Camil, a Green Party organizer from Gainesville who is backing Kerry. "There's too much at stake this year to vote with your heart and not your head."

[OXENinFLA]

WINTER SOLDIER: John Kerry's turning point March 2, 2004

"Nothing in my life prepared me for what I saw there. Nothing," Butler told the Free Press. "Kerry had never seen anything like this. David and John and I were very good friends. We'd eat lunch together and we were just shaking our heads at the kind of testimony we were hearing." Scott Camil of Gainesville, Fla., said in a recent interview that his own testimony surprised him. Camil, a former member of the 1st Marine Division, attracted considerable attention at the event by testifying that U.S. soldiers cut off ears of dead Vietnamese, raped women and eviscerated prisoners.

[doug from upland]

Thanks. I just went to the link and read the Friday story.

[OXENinFLA]

John Musgrave's name is only mentioned in the KS paper.

I googled the news and that's the only one that comes up.

[doug from upland]

I just spoke with Tom Lipscomb. He will be on FOX NEWS within an hour.

[OXENinFLA]

I just spoke with Tom Lipscomb. He will be on FOX NEWS within an hour.

THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP!

[doug from upland]

LIPSCOMB COMING UP ON FOX NEWS!!!

[OXENinFLA]

"Untitled is a poem by John Musgrave which I related to a lot. I appreciate John's permission to let me make a page out of this very moving Vietnam War poem. I hope you enjoy it and get the meaning and feeling that was present when this poem was created and see what our trend of mind was as "Combat Soldiers" in the Nam.

"He Stepped Off The Trail" is another poem by John Musgrave, that shows the horror of war and the frame of mind the Combat Soldier had to be in to fight and survive and believe -"It Don't Mean Nothin'! When it meant everything.

FYI

[doug from upland]

Randy Barnes was certain about KC when he talked to Lipscomb. The word got out and he has been dealt with appropriately.

TOM LIPSCOMB COMING UP ON FOX NEWS

[Michael_S]

If you are correct and he resigned and disassociated himself from the group, why didn't he report the conspiracy to the authorities?

Didn't he do the same thing regarding the Viet Nam atrocities? Seems we may have a pattern of behavior.

[doug from upland]

Absolutely. He had an obligation to report it to the authorities.

[cyncooper]

Thanks for heads up. I stepped away and missed it, but see your other thread on it.

[secretagent]

I saw on one of these threads yesterday more debunking of those Winter Soldier witnesses that you claimed have not been exposed.

Great! But excuse me if I ask for a link and a post # citation. So many of these claims of refution have melted away, before now.

Note that I do not endorse the WSI as truth. In fact I think it likely that the more sensational claims got invented. But my belief does not not constitute a refutation.

[cyncooper]

I see your note and I'm honestly not trying to duck it but I haven't time to look right now. I will ping you if I get a chance to look, but it might be on the Lipscomb thread linked at the beginning of this one.

Later.

[secretagent]

Thanks.

[cyncooper]

Read from #294 on this thread that was started yesterday for a little more information if you haven't already seen today's posts.

[rwfromkansas]

bump

[rwfromkansas]

Note the timeline on when he quit VVAW in this Dem timeline:

"November 10, 1971:
Kerry quits Vietnam Veterans Against the War."

[jerseygirl]

Kerry slithered out of the "intern" issue, he lied about tossing his medals, he downplayed terrorism concerns....Now- look at this! If true, he was actually part of a group of people plotting terrorist actions.

There is NO WAY this man should become the President!

[Bullish]

This would be a huge story if it was about a Republican.

The media will only jump all over this if they know that Hillary is waiting in the wings to take the candidacy. If not, they'll ignore it.