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Missile incident rattles Canada - 'Nuclear fallout knows no border,' lawmaker says
Seattle P-I ^ | Mike Barber

Posted on 03/13/2004 8:49:39 AM PST by NormsRevenge

It might not have been a "broken arrow" nuclear missile accident, but a mishap that damaged a Bangor Trident submarine ballistic missile and was kept under wraps by the Navy until this week threatens broken trust on an international scale.

Libby Davies, a member of Canada's national parliament from Vancouver East, yesterday said she intends to seek the same kind of answers for Canadians that her U.S. congressional counterparts are seeking for Americans.

"If something happens in Bangor, we're the ones upwind. Nuclear fallout knows no border," Davies said.

"The whole issue of transparency in government is fundamental to our democratic system. I think when something is covered up it is pretty outrageous."

U.S. Reps. Norm Dicks and Jay Inslee have demanded answers, and Thursday are slated to receive a special briefing from Rear Adm. Charles Young, head of the "nuclear Navy's" Strategic Systems Program. The SSP oversees Bangor's Strategic Weapons Facility, Pacific, where the accident allegedly occurred.

The Nov. 7 incident was first brought to public light last weekend on a Web site, Jaghunter.com, by former Navy Lt. Cmdr. Walt Fitzpatrick. He has had a long-running feud with the Navy to clear his name following a questionable court martial.

Military and civilian sources confirmed many of Fitzpatrick's allegations.

The incident occurred when a missile being extracted from the USS Georgia's No. 16 tube smacked into an access ladder left in the tube, punching a 9-inch hole in the missile's nose cone.

Dicks is the No. 2 ranking Democrat on the powerful House Appropriations subcommittee on defense. Submarine Base Bangor lies in Inslee's district.

Dicks and Inslee said they are "troubled" by the lack of information about the accident, serious enough to result in firings a month later of the entire leadership of the strategic weapons facility, announced in December.

"Assuming these reports are accurate, the Navy must provide better notification to the Kitsap County community, including local emergency personnel," Inslee said.

"The safety of residents and employees is of the utmost importance when moving nuclear weapons. Congressman Dicks and I intend to discuss these allegations with the Navy in the upcoming days, and work to ensure that a comprehensive safety system exists to prevent any incident, such as those alleged in media reports, ... from occurring."

Navy officials cite a Defense Department "neither confirm nor deny" directive that handcuffs its spokesmen from discussing nuclear weapons accidents. The Navy denies an accident occurred there last November, but splits hairs over what is an "accident" and what is an "incident."

The congressmen want to cut through doublespeak.

"We want to know everything," George Behan, Dicks' spokesman, said yesterday. "The Navy has been very much cooperative so far and labors under some constraints because of a Defense Department rather than a Navy policy."

Behan said a letter from Davies would be included in Thursday's meeting to punctuate the importance of disclosure.

The Navy points to its zero-tolerance policy resulting in the career-ending firings as evidence of how seriously it takes its responsibilities. But while nuclear experts say the possibility of nuclear detonation is highly unlikely, questions left hanging by the Defense Department's silence create concern on both sides of the border about even the smallest potential for plutonium releases or rocket fuel explosions.

Davies said questions raised by the Navy's silence can galvanize peace activists on both sides of the border. In 1998, she visited Bangor, leading a "citizens weapons inspection team" to inspect U.S. weapons of mass destruction.

"I was the only elected person. We really just wanted to make a point and the point was that all weapons of mass destruction have to be dealt with, not just the ones that were supposed to have been in Iraq," she said.

"There is a strong connection between U.S. and Canadian peace activists."


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: cananda; incident; missile; nuclearfallout; rattles; usn
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1 posted on 03/13/2004 8:49:40 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Knows no borders? Neither does terrorism, but that doesn't bother the Canadians.
2 posted on 03/13/2004 8:51:48 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: NormsRevenge
***"There is a strong connection between U.S. and Canadian peace activists."***

There sure is a strong connection - it's their suidical naivete.
3 posted on 03/13/2004 8:54:17 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: NormsRevenge
"If something happens in Bangor, we're the ones upwind. Nuclear fallout knows no border," Davies said.

Libby, babe, don't you mean DOWNWIND? Sheesh!

4 posted on 03/13/2004 8:54:59 AM PST by Tallguy (Cannot rate this Reserve Freepers fitness: Not observed on this thread.)
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To: NormsRevenge; Robert A. Cook, PE
Nuclear fallout knows no border,"

I am no expert in such matters, but I am given to understand that it is actually rather difficult to set off a nuclear reaction. One has dozens of shaped charges that have to be triggered just so (using ultra-high-speed electronic switches). If it isn't, all you get is a bit of bang and a bunch of radioactive dust in the local area.

Armed with this small bit of information (Robert, help me out?), this accident didn't sound like something likely to set off a nuclear explosion with fallout reaching to Canada.

5 posted on 03/13/2004 8:56:28 AM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: NormsRevenge
Libby Davies is a notorious commie.
6 posted on 03/13/2004 8:58:05 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Tallguy
Libby sounds like the sort in the 70s who thoroughly condemned microwave ovens because they emit "radiation."

(Not understanding the distinction between ionizing and non-ionizing radiation...)

7 posted on 03/13/2004 8:58:58 AM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: NormsRevenge
Canada should call the UN.
9 posted on 03/13/2004 9:01:11 AM PST by Wheee The People (If this post doesn't make any sense, then it also doubles as a bump.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Sounds like some of our "friends" to the north need to change their Depends and get over it!
10 posted on 03/13/2004 9:01:17 AM PST by rockrr ("Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me")
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To: NormsRevenge
" "We want to know everything," George Behan, Dicks' spokesman, said yesterday. "The Navy has been very much cooperative so far and labors under some constraints because of a Defense Department rather than a Navy policy." "

No you want to broadcast everything and grandstand for votes. If it was just knowledge you needed you'd not be playing the media, instead you'd meet in committee and then assure your constituents.

11 posted on 03/13/2004 9:04:38 AM PST by Kakaze
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To: NormsRevenge
Canada can kiss our ass! Just exactly who do they think will defend their country if it were ever to be attacked? Their own bankrupt few-thousands strong military?

Canada needs to shut up and play nice or they might find themselves placed in the "US territory" category.

12 posted on 03/13/2004 9:09:24 AM PST by realpatriot71 ("A Republic, madam, if you can keep it" - Ben Franklin, 1787)
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Canada needs to shut up and play nice or they might find themselves placed in the "US territory" category.

Bad idea. Too many obnoxious liberals.

13 posted on 03/13/2004 9:14:55 AM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: realpatriot71
Canada needs to shut up and play nice or they might find themselves placed in the "US territory" category.

Probably will happen anyway, at some point. Canada isn't strong enough economically to continue functioning without being a part of the U.S., their military notwithstanding.

14 posted on 03/13/2004 9:17:58 AM PST by toddst
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To: NormsRevenge
The Canadians should be happy that the US nuclear umbrella, not to mention US military forces protect them. Lord knows they have bankrupted their own military forces and no longer have the means of seriously defending their country.
15 posted on 03/13/2004 9:20:01 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: Eala
Oh Canada. The retarded giant on our doorstep. You hosers . . .
16 posted on 03/13/2004 9:26:48 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (I could never vote for a guy with a chin like that.)
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To: Rhys Ifans
Turds of a feather

Phrase o' the day contest winner!

17 posted on 03/13/2004 9:27:21 AM PST by banjo joe
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To: Tallguy
"If something happens in Bangor, we're the ones upwind. Nuclear fallout knows no border," Davies said.

Libby, babe, don't you mean DOWNWIND? Sheesh!


Well Libby is an NDP member, which is pretty much all you need to know about her, but I must admit I had no idea she was also a comedienne.
18 posted on 03/13/2004 9:27:25 AM PST by Heatseeker
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To: NormsRevenge
To: Libby Davies

Quit your whining, you waste of human skin. If it wasn't for the US Military you'd be in a gulag in Siberia or have been lined up against a wall and shot.

Signed

Citizens of the USA

19 posted on 03/13/2004 9:27:32 AM PST by Militiaman7 (Don't worry about tomorrow, God is already there.)
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To: Eala; Alamo-Girl; Poohbah; belmont_mark; ALOHA RONNIE
Ping
20 posted on 03/13/2004 9:29:13 AM PST by Paul Ross ("A country that cannot control its borders isn't really a country any more."-President Ronald Reagan)
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