The Paleoconservative Age: They hate W. – from the right. (A paleocon bestiary)

The New Haven Advocate ^ | July 3, 2003 | Joe Miksch

[Sam's Army]

Generously upon Thee.

[VaBthang4]

Right Backatcha!

[VaBthang4]

"But is Israel meant as a people or as a place in the Mideast?"

Actually both.

If you disagree, fine....prove me wrong.

[billbears]

Israel is the people and the land was given to them by God. The Old Testament is quite clear on the subject

[rdb3]

George Washington might have loved me too.

Well, good for ya.

Show 'em my motto!

[Age of Reason]

Did George have a part about foreign entanglements occurring after passenger planes ply into and collapse 110 story towers or the Pentagon?

Terrorism like 911 is almost certainly blow-back from America's entanglements in the Mideast, and not just entanglement with Israel (I suspect America's entanglement with Saudi Arabia is primarily what led to 911).

Had we listened to George Washington, I believe we most likely would not have been attacked.

Of course, we live in an increasingly shrinking world--and so I believe that Mr. Washington's admonition is more difficult to follow today.

But Mr. Washington did not say to avoid foreign entanglements altogether--he simply advised us to be wary.

Doubtless Mr. Washington was being mindful that foreign entanglements can lead to unforeseen dangers of bewildering complexity (I note his use of the word, "entanglements," instead of "alliances"), and so they are best avoided unless absolutely necessary.

Which means there must be some very convincing reasons for getting involved to begin with.

[Age of Reason]

But in the sense of your original idea: "God's Chosen People are Israel" -- is God's chosen a people or a place in the Mideast?

[JohnBDay]

Who would the last paleocon president be? Maybe Hoover, probably more like Coolidge or Harding. Can anyone here honestly say that this country was better and/or more free in the 1920s than today?

[VaBthang4]

"Terrorism like 911 is almost certainly blow-back from America's entanglements in the Mideast, and not just entanglement with Israel (I suspect America's entanglement with Saudi Arabia is primarily what led to 911)."

So let me understand...

If the United States were not involved in the Middle East in any way, shape or form. Muslims would never attack us?

Aside from being a woefully asinine/incompetent [take your pick] assumption that flies in the face of Islam's history, it is also the foundation of Liberal acclimation towards the Middle East and 9/11...

...It was our fault.

[Age of Reason]

Can anyone here honestly say that this country was better and/or more free in the 1920s than today?

Depends.

In some ways, this country was more free in the 1920's.

We had smaller government and fewer laws.

Depends.

[VaBthang4]

I already answered this question. Why would you ask it again?

Regardless...Israel is both.

If you disagree then so be it...


...prove me incorrect. ~grin~

[quidnunc]

JohnBDay wrote: Who would the last paleocon president be?

There has never been a paleoconservative president.

[billbears]

Genesis 32
28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Both. Israel's children are God's Chosen People and the land as outlined in Numbers 34 is their land. Of course you could take it up with the Almighty but it's not going to change anything

[Age of Reason]

Aside from being a woefully asinine/incompetent [take your pick] assumption that flies in the face of Islam's history

So Islam has a history of attacking the United States prior to America getting entangled in the Mideast?

Seems to me Islam has a long history of attacking a lot of other countries before America got emmeshed in Mideast politics.

Were it merely a case of history repeating itself, I would think those countries that Islam historically attacked would have been the ones hit.

[billbears]

There has never been a paleoconservative president.

Sure there has. Before the northern tyrant, many of the Presidents fit closer to the mold of a paleocon than any since Wilson

[VaBthang4]

"I would think those countries that Islam historically attacked would have been the ones hit."

And then what Rocket science?

Peaceful co-existence with the infidel West.

Please!

I pointed out you were possibly incompetent...but not overwhelmingly stupid. You know your reasoning led...straight to my question.

[Age of Reason]

Israel's children are God's Chosen People and the land as outlined in Numbers 34 is their land.

But did God say Israel is his chosen people or that Israel is His chosen land?

Also, isn't there something in the bible about god condemning the people of Israel to no longer have a land of their own after the people of Israel broke some commandment or other?

If that is the case, then would not the reestablishment of Israel have been against God's will?

[VaBthang4]

Numbers 36:7
No inheritance in Israel is to pass from tribe to tribe, for every Israelite shall keep the tribal land inherited from his forefathers.

[Age of Reason]

Peaceful co-existence with the infidel West.

I know this business of Israel and the Arabs is an emotional subject for some, but try not to become paranoid over it.

I cannot think of any serious problems from the Mideast until after America became entangled there during the twentieth century--and then only since around the middle of that century.

Indeed before we became enmeshed in Mideast politics over our unquenchable thirst for oil, it was the other West, Europe, that gave us far more trouble than the Mideast even to this day.