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The Paleoconservative Age: They hate W. – from the right. (A paleocon bestiary)
The New Haven Advocate ^ | July 3, 2003 | Joe Miksch

Posted on 03/13/2004 10:56:05 AM PST by quidnunc

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To: Age of Reason
Nehemiah 1;8 "Remember the instruction you gave your servant Moses, saying, 'If you are unfaithful, I will scatter you among the nations, but if you return to me and obey my commands, then even if your exiled people are at the farthest horizon, I will gather them from there and bring them to the place I have chosen as a dwelling for my Name.' "They are your servants and your people, whom you redeemed by your great strength and your mighty hand."

You've had plenty of time to try to find some other angle....found one?

181 posted on 04/11/2004 4:47:28 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
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To: VaBthang4
" You've had plenty of time to try to find some other angle....found one? "

I searched the web, and I couldn't find anything about it in the bible.

But at least one Rabbi here says it's in the Torah: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/quotes/teitelbaum.htm

Since you're looking to argue with someone, go argue with them, since they seem convinced.

As for me, I only said I THOUGHT it was in the Bible, and that I MIGHT BE MISTAKEN.

So go argue with people who believe it.
182 posted on 04/11/2004 11:14:53 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: VaBthang4
Here's more.

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Judaism/nk.html

That site says there's a Jewish sect that believes "the true Israel can only be reestablished with the coming of the Messiah."

And it also says the following:

"Among the proofs they brought for this argument was a talmudic Midrash (legend) that God, the Jewish People, and the nations of the world made a divine pact, when the Jews were sent into exile by the Roman Empire. One provision of the pact was that the Jews would not rebel against the non-Jewish world that gave them sanctuary; a second was that they would not immigrate en masse to the Land of Israel."

So maybe there, and not the bible, was where I heard it.

But I did say I might be MISTAKEN.

But you just jumped on me as if I said I knew it for sure.


So go argue with someone else.
183 posted on 04/11/2004 11:28:52 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: VaBthang4
And your Bible quote is still open to interpretation.

You quoted:

"I will gather them from there and bring them to the place I have chosen as a dwelling for my Name."

That could mean that it is for God to gather them at a place of God's choosing . . .

Not that it is for men to gather themselves at a place of men's choosing.



184 posted on 04/11/2004 11:33:09 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: VaBthang4
And another thing about the quote you posted:

"but if you return to me and obey my commands, then even if your exiled people are at the farthest horizon, I will gather them from there and bring them to the place I have chosen as a dwelling for my Name."

It says, "if you return to me and obey my commands."

To a Christian, that would seem to mean that modern Jews have not returned to God, as they have not accepted Jesus as Messiah.

185 posted on 04/12/2004 2:37:35 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: VaBthang4
And another thing about the quote you posted:

"but if you return to me and obey my commands, then even if your exiled people are at the farthest horizon, I will gather them from there and bring them to the place I have chosen as a dwelling for my Name."

It says, "if you return to me and obey my commands."

To a Christian, that would seem to mean that modern Jews have not returned to God, as they have not accepted Jesus as Messiah.

186 posted on 04/12/2004 2:38:07 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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