[Modernman]

Either God exists or He doesn't.

Certainly. However, there is no way to prove this, one way or the other.

[formerDem]

hi Modernman--

"Either God exists or He doesn't."---(formerDem)

"Certainly. However, there is no way to prove this, one way or the other."---(Modernman)

First, I'd have to find out how you define proof.

I think that my response had to do with whether one's belief or disbelief had anything to do with whether God exists or not. I don't think proof or lack of proof would have any bearing on whether or not He exists, but obviously if someone demands a certain type of proof and doesn't get that proof, he may draw the conclusion that God does not exist. I'm just saying that if God exists, belief or unbelief, proof or no proof has no impact on His existence.

The following quote from G. K. Chesterton (while not 'spot on'), is along the same lines (assuming the man in question has no 'proof' that tigers exist).

"If a man proves too clearly and convincingly to himself...that a tiger is an optical illusion--well, he will find out he is wrong. The tiger will himself intrvene in the discussion, in a manner which will be in every sense conclusive."

I'm wondering about the balance (imbalance?) between proof and faith. I've tried reading Thomas Aquinas, but most of what he says goes way over my head!

Cheers,

Deborah