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The Mythical Moderate Muslim
Arutz Sheva ^ | 3.16.04

Posted on 03/16/2004 9:08:09 PM PST by ambrose

The Mythical Moderate Muslim

by Yashiko Sagamori

Mar 16, '04 / 23 Adar 5764

Primitive tribes offer sacrifices hoping to mollify whatever nonexistent beings they believe in. New York Times columnist Paul Krugman seems to belong to a very sophisticated tribe that, according to the recently retired Malaysian Prime Minister, rules the world by proxy. One would think Mr. Krugman should be above such crude superstitions. Nevertheless, in his column on October 21, he suggests that Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld should fire General Boykin in order to mollify moderate Muslims.

General Boykin, the leading anti-terror expert at the Pentagon and a devout Christian, had openly and publicly, on several occasions, expressed his personal opinion of Islam, which happens to be rather low. Considering where the terror is coming from, this is far less surprising than Mr. Krugman's eagerness to sacrifice both General Boykin and the First Amendment in order to mollify moderate Muslims. I'd like to ask Mr. Krugman what gives him reason to believe that the beings he is trying to mollify actually exist.

The official, politically correct point of view says that Islam is just another monotheistic religion, not that different from Judaism or Christianity. If that is true, then moderate Muslims must exist, just like moderate members of other faiths. However, moderate members of other faiths do not require sacrificial mollification - that's basically how we tell moderates from extremists. Therefore, either moderate Muslims are mythical creatures, or we need substantially different criteria to identify them. That dilemma alone should make us suspicious as to whether Islam is "just another religion". Obviously, it is important that we determine how a moderate Muslim can be distinguished from a Muslim extremist.

Why not ask Muslims themselves? Irshad Manji, a young Canadian author, has published a book titled "The Trouble With Islam." Since we don't hear too many Muslim voices criticizing their religion, her book deserves our attention. This is what the author herself says on her promotional website

(http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/the_book_index.html):

"I appreciate that every faith has its share of literalists. Christians have their Evangelicals. Jews have the ultra-Orthodox. For God's sake, even Buddhists have fundamentalists. But what this book hammers home is that only in Islam the literalism is mainstream." Apparently, the terms "literalism" and "fundamentalism" in the quotation above are used interchangeably, as synonyms of religious extremism. Unfortunately, the author fails to mention the most important difference between "literalists" in Islam and other religions. Evangelical Christians may believe that heaven is reserved for them alone. Ultra-Orthodox Jews may display intimate understanding of the murkiest places in the Talmud. I have no idea what extreme fundamentalist Buddhists do that sets them apart from their moderate coreligionists. What I do know however is that no religion except Islam pursues the idea of physical extermination of those who believe differently. The concept of holy war is unique to Islam. Jihad is the absolute monopoly of Muslims. There is no parallel to it in any other religion in the world (Yes, I have heard about Crusades, but Christianity does not mandate them, and do you know when the last Crusade ended?). So, here we have it in plain English, as simple as A, B, C:

A. According to the Koran, holy war against the infidels is a sacred duty of every Muslim.

B. According to Ms. Manji, mainstream Muslims interpret Koran literally.

The conclusion is inevitable:

C. Mainstream Muslims perceive war against the infidels - meaning you and me - as their sacred duty.

Once you understand that, you don't need books to explain to you what exactly the trouble with Islam is. The trouble with Islam derives from the fact that mainstream Islam openly calls for murder of all infidels. That's why Islam is not "just another religion". That's what, in my view, allows to classify all its followers as extremist. What then, besides our stubborn, groundless faith in the general goodness of our fellow human beings, leads us to believe that moderate Muslims are not just a figment of our imagination? How do they manifest themselves in the real world?

It would be utterly useless to look for them in Gaza, Judea, or Samaria. Unlike bin Laden, terrorists occupying Israeli lands do not live in caves. They live in small towns, villages, and crowded refugee camps where everyone knows everything about everyone else. They couldn't survive for a day without popular support. When someone gives them a reason to doubt the sincerity of his support, they label him a collaborator and murder him on the spot. Indeed, the PA-sponsored educational system guarantees that innocent children are indoctrinated in the most murderous variety of Islamic extremism - thereby losing their innocence - at the earliest possible age. Therefore, in Israel, a moderate Muslim is a dead Muslim, which is bad news for those who want us to believe that there is a peaceful solution to the continuing Arab war against Israel.

Let's look elsewhere. Afghanistan, liberated by the United States from the medieval tyranny of the Taliban is about to publish the draft of its first constitution. Their new constitution is going to be firmly based on Islamic principles. The country itself is soon to be renamed the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. We wouldn't call a Jew or a Christian who wanted his religion to become the basis of his country's constitution a moderate, would we? Here, in the United States, we value the separation of church from state so much that we launch court battles to remove the Ten Commandments and every reference to God from everything that is even remotely related to the government. If Islam is "just another religion", shouldn't the same criteria apply to Muslim countries? And if the same criteria do apply, we have to conclude that President Karzai installed in Afghanistan by the American military and unable to survive now or in the foreseeable future without the American military presence, is not a moderate Muslim, but an outright religious extremist. His "Very correct" remark to Mahadir's call for the extermination of Jews shows that he is a political extremist as well. Therefore, the only practical question regarding Afghanistan is why did the United States have to waste lives of its soldiers and tens of billions of dollars in order to replace one bunch of Muslim extremists with another? It might have been worthwhile had it improved our security at home, but, as we know, that didn't happen. Therefore, we have to conclude that the United States has once again won a battle but lost the war. The same will inevitably happen in Iraq.

The desperate search for moderate Muslims goes all around the world. It is especially urgent in Europe, whose face is being irreversibly altered by mass immigration from Islamic countries. Recently, the British government appealed to the growing British Muslim community to isolate extremists in their midst. It's not hard to predict the response. Actually, there will be no response, because everyone in any Muslim community is an extremist. Such is the nature of Islam, and the only thing that I find hard to comprehend is the self-imposed blindness of the British government. Apparently, such is the price of liberalism and political correctness.

Bye-bye, Europe. We are next.

I don't think World War II could be won if the Allies, instead of eradicating Nazism, attempted to replace Nazi extremists with moderate Nazis. Actually, nobody was looking for moderate Nazis during World War II. But those were simpler, purer times. Today, the mythical moderate Muslim remains the focal point of the US foreign policy in the Middle East. The blind faith in his existence has already led the United States to many monumental failures, and many more are to be expected in the future. Meanwhile, the moderate Muslim, along with the Big Foot, the unicorn, and the Loch Ness monster, remains more elusive than a cure for cancer. There is at least a theoretical possibility that a cure for cancer can be found one day, unless of course Islam takes over and drags us all down into its own endless Dark Ages.


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1 posted on 03/16/2004 9:08:09 PM PST by ambrose
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To: mhking
wow, doesn't this line of thinking sound familiar?

I wonder if the author has read my rough draft?

:)
2 posted on 03/16/2004 9:15:45 PM PST by King Prout (You may disagree with what I have to say... but I will defend to YOUR death MY right to say it.)
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To: SJackson
for your use
3 posted on 03/16/2004 9:16:19 PM PST by King Prout (You may disagree with what I have to say... but I will defend to YOUR death MY right to say it.)
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To: ambrose
"Daddy?"

"Yes, son?"

"What's a moderate Muslim?"

"One who's run out of ammo, son."
4 posted on 03/16/2004 9:17:43 PM PST by Prime Choice (Hm? No, my powers can only be used for Good.)
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To: ambrose
There ARE moderate Muslims. They are the ones who just don't give a good god damn about their silly religion. These folks are soon to be stamped out of existence. Islam is rising and we will not stop it untill we treat it like the nazism of the second world war.
6 posted on 03/16/2004 9:28:46 PM PST by mercy
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To: peter_alabama_nfl
its too general to dismiss all Muslims as extremists

The day I see Muslims chasing terrorists and terrorist sympathizers out of their Mosques will be the day I believe that. At present, it sure seems like those who aren't actively attacking us are certainly coddling those who do.

7 posted on 03/16/2004 9:31:46 PM PST by Prime Choice (Hm? No, my powers can only be used for Good.)
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To: ambrose
Even if a full 9 out of 10 Muslims are moderates (which seems like a high #), that would leave a full 130 million Muslim fanatics in the world.

One hundred and thirty freakin' million.

8 posted on 03/16/2004 9:31:54 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: ambrose
i like the general idea of the article, but one thing struck my mind:

> "What I do know however is that no religion except Islam
>pursues the idea of physical extermination of those who
>believe differently.."

what about the Spanish Inquisition?



NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is
surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our
two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless
efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and
ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to
the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons....
Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear,
surprise.... I'll come in again....







9 posted on 03/16/2004 9:35:32 PM PST by vp_cal
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To: peter_alabama_nfl
"Islam is a false religion but its too general to dismiss all Muslims as extremists."

There are extremists all over the place. How about Jimmy Jones and Charles Manson. They just didn't have as many follwers but the mentality was the same. If you don't belive the same as me I'll kill you. I don't believe all who call themselves Muslim are kill crazy. But it seems a large portion are.

Fanitics of any stripe are dangerous.

10 posted on 03/16/2004 9:43:13 PM PST by blackbart.223
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To: ambrose
"The official, politically correct point of view says that Islam is just another monotheistic religion, not that different from Judaism or Christianity. If that is true, then moderate Muslims must exist, just like moderate members of other faiths. However, moderate members of other faiths do not require sacrificial mollification - that's basically how we tell moderates from extremists. Therefore, either moderate Muslims are mythical creatures, or we need substantially different criteria to identify them."

Makes no sense.
A religion that's monotheistic must have moderates? Who made that rule?
Sacrificial mollification?
She draws conclusions from these??
It's laughable.

11 posted on 03/16/2004 9:47:21 PM PST by nuconvert (CAUTION: I'm an acquaintance of someone labelled "an obstinate supporter of dangerous fantasies")
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To: blackbart.223
Don't kid yourselves or swallow propaganda. Just this morning one cleric was berating Moslems in non-theocratic countries because they weren't hating other religions enough, per Mohammed's commands. He then proclaimed that moderates will be damned to hellfire if they don't exterminate infidels when the opportunity arises.

Religion of peace? Who's worried about Penticostal suicide bombers or rabbis weilding box-cutters?


12 posted on 03/16/2004 10:02:51 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: blackbart.223
How about Jimmy Jones and Charles Manson. .......Fanatics of any stripe are dangerous.

No doubt about it, but we're talking percentages here. Manson, Jones, and their followers added up to just a few people. Radical Muslims - violent Muslims - number in the tens of millions, and they're utterly committed to the destruction of Western Civilization ......anything non-Muslim, in fact. I read a year or so ago that something like 22 of the 23 armed conflicts in the world involve Islamics or Islamic nations. Coincidence? I think not.

13 posted on 03/16/2004 10:16:15 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: NewRomeTacitus
"Religion of peace? Who's worried about Penticostal suicide bombers or rabbis weilding box-cutters?"

You misunderstand me. Go back and read my post! The world isn't short of fanitics. Muslims not withstanding.

14 posted on 03/16/2004 10:16:53 PM PST by blackbart.223
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To: Mr. Mojo
"No doubt about it, but we're talking percentages here."

I belive I made that point but it didn't seem to come accross from reason.

15 posted on 03/16/2004 10:27:06 PM PST by blackbart.223
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To: ambrose
bttt
16 posted on 03/16/2004 11:54:01 PM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: vp_cal
Give him....the COMFY CHAIR!
17 posted on 03/17/2004 12:00:02 AM PST by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: ambrose; Travis McGee
I had a freeper the other night light into me about there being "good" muslims, you know, "moderate" islamics...

pal, I think its pure bullcrap.
the radical muslim is the one putting the nail bomb on the little kid... the moderate muslim is the one holding the remote control, when the kid gets on the bus.

Moderate islam is not a myth. It's a lie.
All religions are NOT created equal.
Islam is the death cult scourge of the planet.
WE are stupid to allow our leaders to say publicly over and over "islam is peace." We know its a lie... and THEY know its a lie too. islam by all evidence, appears to be not peace, but murder.
18 posted on 03/17/2004 12:10:18 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me
19 posted on 03/17/2004 5:52:56 AM PST by SJackson (The Passion: Where were all the palestinians?)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
I would say that the difference between a moderate Muslim and an extremist is that an extremist says "I am going to kill you", then tries to kill you.

A moderate Muslim says, "I am your friend", then tries to kill you, or if he can afford it, pays an extremist to kill you.

20 posted on 03/17/2004 6:30:59 AM PST by dinasour
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