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Virginia: Gov. Warner calls special session on budget deadlock
Richmond Times-Dispatch ^ | March 17, 2004 | Michael Hardy, Jeff Schapiro, Pamela Stallsmith

Posted on 03/17/2004 8:23:35 AM PST by cogitator

Edited on 07/20/2004 11:51:19 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Gov. Mark R. Warner is calling the bitterly deadlocked General Assembly into a special session today to enact a new state budget, but the anti-tax House of Delegates is threatening to walk out and return home for perhaps a week or more.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: battle; budget; revenues; taxes; virginia
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WashPost article on the same events: Warner Orders Special Session

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"The legislature's failure to pass a budget is an unprecedented departure for a southern state whose reputation for fiscal discipline and conservative planning has been a hallmark for decades. The state has maintained its AAA bond rating, a seal of financial good housekeeping, since 1938."

"But in the past 10 years, Virginia has veered from that course, cutting taxes by billions of dollars even as lawmakers drove up spending. That pattern caught up with Virginia in 2002, as the economy weakened, government revenue decreased and the state developed a multibillion-dollar gap between what it could raise and what it wanted to spend."

1 posted on 03/17/2004 8:23:36 AM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
I don't understand why we survived on 52 bn for the last two years, but the next two require 58 bn. what is this, CA?
2 posted on 03/17/2004 8:36:41 AM PST by patton (I wish we could all look at the evil of abortion with the pure, honest heart of a child.)
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I don't understand why we survived on 52 bn for the last two years, but the next two require 58 bn.

For details, you'd have to read (and understand) the budgets. Some of the basics are that they are fixed costs that must be paid (Medicaid, Medicare) and the cost of unfunded mandates from the Feds (like "No Child Left Behind", and homeland security requirements) are also rising. As noted in previous threads, enrollment in K-12 is expected to increase by 100,000 new students over 10 years, so there has to be some increase in the state component of education funding to cover that, too. Prison populations keep going up, so prisoners still have to be fed and clothed and guards have to be paid. Et cetera, et cetera.

3 posted on 03/17/2004 8:40:54 AM PST by cogitator
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As I recall, the Congress made unfunded mandates illegal in 1994. Localities that are growing also have a growing tax base with which to fund new schools. And nobody, nowhere has talked about cutting fat or unecessary programs. . .

Don't talk to me about raising taxes or spending until you can prove to me that it is the LAST possible resort, that all other avenues have been employed, and we're STILL short...
4 posted on 03/17/2004 9:22:30 AM PST by Salgak (don't mind me: the orbital mind control lasers are making me write this. . .)
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Oh, and as for prisoners, they can live in tents and eat beans and wienies, and a vitamin pill a day. Enough calories for basic survival UNLESS they're willing to work.

NO TV rooms. No conjugal visits. This is prison, not boy scout camp. . .
5 posted on 03/17/2004 9:25:02 AM PST by Salgak (don't mind me: the orbital mind control lasers are making me write this. . .)
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Sorry, but the last thing we Virginians need is advice from Maryland on how to run state government.
6 posted on 03/17/2004 9:37:39 AM PST by 11Bush
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To: cogitator
"The House budget for the next two years would total about $58 billion; the Senate's approaches $62 billion. The current budget is $52 billion. "

The House has the right budget approach. For the Senate to go even further *ABOVE* the governor's proposal is absolutely inexcusable.

WHO ARE THESE RINO MORONS WHO ARE SUPPORTING TAX INCREASES?

7 posted on 03/17/2004 9:56:24 AM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - Disturb, manipulate, demonstrate for the right thing)
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Click HERE to send a message to Gov. Warbucks.

I sent the following message:

Gov. Warner,

Quit acting like a jerk and work with the House of Delegates. They are the ONLY body that is acting on the will of the people.

Worried about Wall street?????

You better worry about the voters of VA who reject your lack of leadership and will remember this when you run for the Senate!

Let the people decide, Governor. If you cannot accept the House budget, then support a referendum and trust the people to decide.

8 posted on 03/17/2004 10:33:25 AM PST by Gopher Broke (Abortion: Big people killing little people)
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To: Gopher Broke
Your message is better sent to the RINO Republican senators who are outspending even Warner and obstructing the good work of the House of Delegate fiscally coservative Republicans.

Warner is a snake and wont listen to you.

JMHO.
9 posted on 03/17/2004 10:36:11 AM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - Disturb, manipulate, demonstrate for the right thing)
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What specific spending cuts, if any, has the house put into their budget proposal? Seems thay also have increased overall spending in their proposed budget. Intra-party disputes of this kind will only make the gov look good - just what the GOP wanted/needed.
10 posted on 03/17/2004 10:53:02 AM PST by familyofman
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To: Salgak
Virginia General Assembly: State Budget
11 posted on 03/17/2004 11:42:22 AM PST by cogitator
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To: 11Bush
Sorry, but the last thing we Virginians need is advice from Maryland on how to run state government.

No advice has been proffered; but we Marylanders have a considerable interest in the doings of a state that shares such a large common border (and occasionally interacts with what Marylands wants to do).

Did you know that about a month ago the process of approving the Intercounty Connector in Montgomery County was impeded due to objections from Virginia and the District of Columbia that it would impact regional air quality? I.e., we share common interests even though we live in separate states.

12 posted on 03/17/2004 11:45:07 AM PST by cogitator
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To: WOSG
Virginia General Assembly: State Budget
13 posted on 03/17/2004 11:47:18 AM PST by cogitator
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To: familyofman
See link posted in replies 11 and 13.
14 posted on 03/17/2004 11:48:15 AM PST by cogitator
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That's nice. It doesn't, however, answer the question....
15 posted on 03/17/2004 12:00:00 PM PST by Salgak (don't mind me: the orbital mind control lasers are making me write this. . .)
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To: cogitator
This is so funny:
Warner calls a special session because he has to make the delegates at their desks return to their desks?

The fight over taxes has always been with the Senate Finance committee. The Democrats there were the ones who stopped Governor Allen's tax cuts. That cost the House Dems the majority, and then the Senate Dems. Chicester's abuse may mean the end of the powerful SFC chairman.

Shapiro is useless. Maybe the WashPost will take him.

16 posted on 03/17/2004 12:09:40 PM PST by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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Chicester's abuse may mean the end of the powerful SFC chairman.

There have been occasional mentions that he may already recognize this, and his effort this year is his parting shot.

17 posted on 03/17/2004 12:58:02 PM PST by cogitator
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I didn't mean the end of Chicester, though that's a good idea too, but the end of the power of his position.

It should be obvious from the last ten years that a majority party cannot allow itself to be held hostage by a Senate Finance Committee chairman- or it will not be the majority long. Chicester's abuse is just the latest example. I think Senate rules will be changed to cut back on the SFC chairman's power to disburse goodies.

18 posted on 03/17/2004 1:16:40 PM PST by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: Salgak
That's nice. It doesn't, however, answer the question...

I provided the link because both budgets show that new revenues are needed (obviously the Senate budget needs new revenues because it has so much new spending). But the House budget includes a project $521 million in new revenues obtained by canceling business tax breaks; they concluded that they had to get at least a little new revenue from somewhere just to keep their bare-minimum, no-new-taxes budget balanced.

When Callahan convinced the House that they needed this revenue source, he had also convinced them that they could not realistically cut anything else.

19 posted on 03/17/2004 2:26:09 PM PST by cogitator
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For details, you'd have to read (and understand) the budgets.

The bottom line is that there's room for an 11% spending increase with existing tax revenue. That's sufficient for me to understand that there just isn't a compelling need for tax increases (spending reallocation, yes).

the cost of unfunded mandates from the Feds

What are the Feds going to do if the state simply refuses to spend the money? Send the FBI Hostage Roasting Team to surround the State House?

enrollment in K-12 is expected to increase by 100,000 new students over 10 years

Well, then, state revenue can be expected to correspondingly increase as sales taxes are paid on the food, clothing, and other goods consumed by the extra rug rats.

20 posted on 03/18/2004 8:37:04 AM PST by steve-b
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