When Human Life Begins

American College of Pediatricians ^ | March 2004 | American College of Pediatricians

[hocndoc]

You are so good at explaining, and this post is proof. Thank you.

[hocndoc]

What a kind thing to say. Thank you.

[hocndoc]

Thanks for the pings and thanks for the information.

[aruanan]

My pleasure. You're welcome.

[DumpsterDiver]

My thanks to you both.

[hocndoc]

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[biblewonk]

Many pro-lifers think that abortion is the worlds biggest sin. When I suggest that the adultery and fornication and prostitution that is going on conceiving the babies seems to be a bigger sin they usually get upset. I often think of David and Bathsheba(sp) and that the baby was struck dead for David's sin.

[conservonator]

Many pro-lifers think that abortion is the worlds biggest sin.

It's not, sins against the Holy Spirit are.

When I suggest that the adultery and fornication and prostitution that is going on conceiving the babies seems to be a bigger sin they usually get upset.

Because you’re wrong. Murder is a graver sin than sins of the flesh. Remember Cain?

I often think of David and Bathsheba(sp) and that the baby was struck dead for David's sin.

God, not man made that decision. To equate the modern abortion and birth control to an act of Gods will in one specific biblical event is stretching it a bit. I'm reminded of Christ’s admonition about harming Children.

This conversation gives me a deja vu feeling...

[biblewonk]

Yes I think we have had this conversation before.

[oldcomputerguy]

"Saying that a baby isn't "alive" until it has taken its first breath is simply an arbitrary distinction"

Yes, but it is the one that nature intended. I agree science can keep anything alive these days but should we? I happen to believe that natural selection has a reason and there there is a threshold beyond which tampering is counterproductive. I am not saying we shouldn't save premies but there is a boundry that is most truly counterproductive.

You are not going to convince me of your view and frankly I could care less if I convince you of my view.

I never cease to be amazed by prolifers and prochoicers alike. We can throw in religious zealots too. They can never seem to comprehend that their positions are emotionally based. Emotionally based beliefs cannot be successfully argued, but they keep trying.

[oldcomputerguy]

"Did you read the position statement or notice that the sponsoring group is a group of well
respected Pediatricians ?(and a few associate members like me - I'm a family physician)"

Well I am sure you do fine work and are a fine person, but my opinion of the medical establishment is not really that high.

[MHGinTN]

Did you know that science has proven that children alive in the womb learn? ... If the little ones are not alive then who or what is that that is 'learning'? Old guy, you should choose more wisely at your age.

[oldcomputerguy]

"Old guy, you should choose more wisely at your
age."

Who said I was old? Reread the part about not being able to change my opinion on this matter.