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U.S. Gave Green Light for Iraq to Invade Kuwait
Arabic-Media ^ | March 3,2003 | Untitled

Posted on 03/21/2004 7:15:26 AM PST by Pan_Yan

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To: lewislynn
Oh horsenuance. The Kuwaitis were bucking OPEC quotas and thereby keeping the price of oil low, which was good for us. The Iraqis were threatening war over it. We basically said, you can browbeat them into sticking to their OPEC quotas and we won't go to war over it - it isn't in our interests, but it is a minor concession to yours and not worth a fight. They misinterpreted this as permission to invade and seize the whole country, then were brain dead enough not to back down when we told them to get back out.
41 posted on 03/21/2004 1:58:20 PM PST by JasonC
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To: zook
What's with the personnal attacks? I haven't gone out of my way to insult you. If you have something constructive to add, please do so. If you're looking for an outlet for your pent up aggression go to a Yahoo! chat room.

For the umpteenth time, if you want to refute this material, use facts. Yelling Bullsh**! and calling names puts you in a class with Paul Begala.

It doesn't hurt me. It's just bullsh**. If you like spreading bullsh**, then post away. Hope you're enjoying your Moby CDs

I wouldn't suggest entering this arguement for the next Susan Colver-Rosenberger Prize for best dissertation.
42 posted on 03/21/2004 2:20:38 PM PST by Pan_Yan (Are you a member of the NEA?)
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To: Consort
Just so you understand my intent, my wife and I have been discussing why we should / shouldn't allow Iraq to divide itself into three seperate countries. I stumbled upon this little excerpt while reading about Iraqi history.

I think that without an iron fist in place, Iraq will end up in three pieces no matter what the map says. The arbitrary lines established by the British in 1932 mean nothing to the Kurds, Sunni, and Shites in Iraq. The country will be plunged into civil war soon after we leave. Or another dictator will arise. I can't see another outcome.

I'm not trying to re-live 1990 (I spent the first gulf war on a submarine in dry dock in Newport News and have no desire to go back).

I support the Presidents decision to invade Iraq. I think he is pursuing the larger goal of changing the power structure in the Middle East, much like Reagan went into office determined to win the cold war. I hope we have some brilliant political plan to make Iraq a thriving democracy, but I think it is a path fraught with dangers for Iraq.

I hope you see that this is relevent, much like the Shites distrust of us after we called for them to rise up in 1991 and then let them get slaughtered.
43 posted on 03/21/2004 2:55:32 PM PST by Pan_Yan (This rant provided as a public service.)
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To: Pan_Yan
You've got thin skin. I said you seemed to want to spread BS. Why are you doing this? I have no aggression against you. You're probably a very nice fellow/lady/whatever. But if you think you can toss raw Sadaam propaganda out here without getting flack for it, you're quite mistaken.

The only thing I said that came close to calling you a name was the Moby crack. And quite frankly, your post fits with that.
44 posted on 03/21/2004 4:41:15 PM PST by zook
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To: zook
The only thing I said that came close to calling you a name was the Moby crack

Who or what is a "Moby"?

45 posted on 03/21/2004 5:24:41 PM PST by lewislynn (Free traders know it isn't , they just believe cheap popcorn makers raises their living standards.)
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To: JasonC
Oh horsenuance

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"I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices..."

It's in quotations.

46 posted on 03/21/2004 5:29:08 PM PST by lewislynn (Free traders know it isn't , they just believe cheap popcorn makers raises their living standards.)
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To: Pan_Yan
...a quiet, largely unreported meeting took place between Saddam Hussein and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie...

Largely unreported? Really? Where? I remember it got quite a bit of run here in the States, back at the time. This particular passage is such a howler that it's hard to take anything else in the article seriously.

47 posted on 03/21/2004 5:31:52 PM PST by RichInOC (Busting Saddam's ass...better late than never.)
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To: lewislynn
"It's in quotations."

Yes, as quoted by Saddam, thus is means nothing or did you believe Baghdad Bob?
48 posted on 03/21/2004 5:50:23 PM PST by Bonny Dick
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To: Pan_Yan
...why we should / shouldn't allow Iraq to divide itself into three seperate countries.

We should not be part of that process. There are too many variables in the equation.

\ The arbitrary lines established by the British in 1932 mean nothing to the Kurds, Sunni, and Shites in Iraq. The country will be plunged into civil war soon after we leave.

We cannot be the long-term iron fist. If civil war breaks out, we will be caught in the crossfire no matter which side we choose, if any. The British screwed up. The Kurds want their own country and the Turks may not agree. The rest of Iraq may or may not agree.

I support the Presidents decision to invade Iraq.

Liberate Iraq. If civil war breaks out, or a new dictator takes over, we will begin a new cycle again and deal with the new government....as allies or as enemies.

49 posted on 03/21/2004 7:45:27 PM PST by Consort
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To: Bonny Dick
Yes, as quoted by Saddam, thus is means nothing or did you believe Baghdad Bob?

Journalist 1:

"Are the transcripts (holding them up) correct, Madam Ambassador?"

(Ambassador Glaspie does not respond)

She had her chance(s) and didn't dispute them...grow up.

50 posted on 03/21/2004 8:50:34 PM PST by lewislynn (Free traders know it isn't , they just believe cheap popcorn makers raises their living standards.)
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To: lewislynn
Saddam's transcript or can't you read?
51 posted on 03/21/2004 9:17:19 PM PST by Bonny Dick
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To: lewislynn
A question easily answered with a simple FR search.
52 posted on 03/22/2004 5:28:31 AM PST by zook
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To: Pan_Yan; zook
Go here... http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/A/April-Glaspie.htm.
53 posted on 03/22/2004 6:14:15 AM PST by RedWing9 (No tag here... Just want to stay vague...)
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