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Spain's Surrender, and the Destiny of Europe
Men's News Daily ^ | 21 March 2004 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 03/21/2004 9:08:15 AM PST by mrustow

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To: mrustow
It isn't flattering!
41 posted on 03/21/2004 12:27:21 PM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Jack Black
Homer, fiction? I've always considered it history, but you could go either way I guess.

Mythology.

42 posted on 03/21/2004 1:17:51 PM PST by mrustow
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To: HitmanNY
It isn't flattering!

Diversion via repetition?

43 posted on 03/21/2004 1:18:31 PM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
There is nothing diversive about it - it's pretty direct: "It isn't flattering."
44 posted on 03/21/2004 1:31:35 PM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: mrustow
Western European nations increasingly embrace appeasement, while permitting themselves to be overwhelmed by hordes of their Muslim enemies, enemies who hold everything European in contempt, and who increasingly include violent gangs, whose idea of fun is to brutalize Jews and gang-rape Christian girls.

The Euros have lost even the will to survive. They are far below replacement numbers, they can't even summon the energy to breed a new generation. Their men are so flaccid that they will put their women in burkahs and kiss the scimitar before they raise a fist to defend their culture. The only question is which will be the first nation to adopt islamic sharia law.

45 posted on 03/21/2004 1:35:07 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: HitmanNY
Look, you're the one who set up a "rule," violated it at will, and then criticized me for taking you at your word. You need to take a look in the mirror.
46 posted on 03/21/2004 2:26:15 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Travis McGee
The only question is which will be the first nation to adopt islamic sharia law.

Pre-311, I assumed the Muslims were targeting France. But now, I expect there will be a major influx into Spain, in honor of the new prime minister. Call them Zapatero's Moors.

47 posted on 03/21/2004 2:34:55 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Carry_Okie
Your sarcasm meter is failing...
48 posted on 03/21/2004 2:38:12 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Your sarcasm meter is failing...

LOL.

49 posted on 03/21/2004 3:00:18 PM PST by mrustow
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To: JasonC
Your sarcasm meter is failing...

Could be.

His was more than a little dry if it was (admittedly, I was a bit rushed in reading it), or preferring the drip grind, p'raps I'm blinded by my own.

As far as Europe is concerned, the author, while otherwise making a splendidly competent case, prefers to deal in causes rather than remedies (except by inference), but even there he missed a major element. IMO, the projection of ecumenism upon Islam was clearly displaced since, as a religion, it is entirely underserving of that distinction. One also wonders why the Church so willingly capitulated to socialsim, as its nexus in public schooling worked wonders to the effect he bewails. That capitulation conceded systemic alienation of the rearing of children from the primary responsibility of imparting faith and culture. It abetted the Gramscian objective of depriving succeeding generations from their inheritance in Western Culture.

Insofar as America is concerned, we are simply too late to act selectively in controlling immigration and expect time alone to bind our cultural wounds. Besides controlling the borders, we now have to focus instead upon successful assimilation. In addition to (and distinct from) absorbing Latino culture, we have to face the seeming contradiction between the stated goals (ghouls?) of Islam and the free exercise clause of the First Amendment.

Here is something I wrote last year on that topic,:

There are, however, limits to free association. There is one major religion operating within this country with a written doctrine that advocates complete overthrow of the Constitution and replacement of our entire body of laws: Islam. When free association is used for purposes of sedition and bigotry we must make exception concerning free exercise. It is a test of our ability as a nation to make distinctions upon individual behavior that may do more to transform an ancient religion for the better than all the soldiers in the Middle East.

Happy now? ;-) CO

50 posted on 03/21/2004 3:19:29 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
"why the Church so willingly capitulated"

It didn't. It lost. Read Belloc to see it still kicking and screaming. Also it backed all the wrong horses, politically and culturally speaking, defending monarchism vs. republicanism, infallibility against scholarship, paternalism vs. capitalism, etc. There were plenty of advisors telling them to go to the classical liberal position and stand there, defending their case on its merits, but that is not what they actually did. Not until 50 years after they lost the fight over control of education, while trying to hold positions that could not be held long and in a number of cases did not deserve to be.

As for toleration and intolerant teachings, we tolerate mere teachings but should not tolerate crimes. Every school has had its intolerant versions and has persecuted. There is plenty of stuff in Leviticus and Deuteronomy that taken literally is poison, stuff that got Quakers hanged on Boston Common as late as the 1680s.

Rather than promulgate new doctrine and attempt to enforce it by the sword, we have found it works better to regulate acts and not thoughts. We bear with error - because error is the natural state - and with intolerance - because there was precious little else anywhere on earth until quite recent times. We need not bear with crime.

They are not the same, and attacking errors because they seem to tend toward crime would mean attacking far too much. Worse, it would set up the state as an arbiter of truth, a task for which it is singularly unsuited. That corrupts thought as well. The state's role is to disarm such disputes, to force sides to carry them on by persuasion rather than force, not to settle them. It can't settle them. It can punish use of violence.

51 posted on 03/21/2004 4:56:49 PM PST by JasonC
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To: mrustow
Twentieth century France saw a great intellectual revival of Christian thought and art (Claudel, Péguy, Mauriac, Maritain, Rouault). It didn't last beyond the arrival of mass consumerism and the welfare state in the years after DeGaulle, but it can't be discounted by those interested in European cultural history.

Likewise, there was a revival of Christian piety in (West) Germany after the Second World War. And even earlier, conventional religious faith hadn't died out -- the intellectuals loss of faith and the disastrous political turn weren't necessarily representative of the way many ordinary people lived. Such piety didn't last in Germany either. But a recognition of such historical developments and continuities -- as well as of the thousand years of medieval culture -- ought to have been expected by someone who presumed to write on religion and culture in Europe. When a writer ignores such things, as Stix does, it calls his credibility into question.

More to the point, the Nietzschean view that "God was dead" in 19th century Europe applies just as much to 21st century America as it did to his own era. He wasn't saying that everyone was an atheist, but that underneath the surface piety of the day, God had ceased to matter. And that's a criticism that we can't simply ignore as our own culture is concerned.

Maybe Stix is a friend or relative of yours. If so your loyalty to him is commendable (If he's you, the criticisms can only help you to improve your essays). But he has real trouble organizing his perceptions into a coherent and convincing argument. He keeps reaching for a "big picture" theory, but throws in so many of his own likes and dislikes that he doesn't escape the merely subjective. He doesn't seem to see that his peeves don't add up to anything substantial.

Is "anti-scientific thinking" really stronger in contemporary Europe than it has been at other times and places? Does the term "North America" function "as a petty insult to Americans"? Is Europe really less creative artistically than the US? Are Europeans greater "culture snobs" than Americans? And isn't there some contradiction in attacking both multiculturalism and supposed European cultural haughtiness? Between attacking Europeans for betraying or not living up to their heritage, and condemning them for priding themselves on a supposedly superior culture, and hinting that that culture never was what some said it was, Europeans don't get a break from Nicholas Stix.

That Stix reproaches Europe because of its "embrace of the inferior fare at McDonald's" is an indication that whatever problems there are aren't unique to Europe. Modern Europe is seriously flawed, but other parts of the modern world don't escape criticism either. If le Big Mac is a problem, it's not something one can blame on Europe, or even on socialism.

52 posted on 03/21/2004 6:07:27 PM PST by x
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To: mrustow
I dunno....I think it was more of a general principle, and less a rule.

Like I said, "It's not flattering."
53 posted on 03/21/2004 6:57:15 PM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: mrustow
Excellent summary of European history...Without pancake made-up revisionism!
54 posted on 03/21/2004 7:10:16 PM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Robert Teesdale
Nice video!
55 posted on 03/21/2004 7:50:30 PM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: HitmanNY
I dunno....I think it was more of a general principle, and less a rule.

Then you can't contradict it at will. Or don't you understand the concept of a general principle?

56 posted on 03/22/2004 4:07:04 AM PST by mrustow
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To: lainde
Excellent summary of European history...Without pancake made-up revisionism!

Glad you liked it.

57 posted on 03/22/2004 4:07:58 AM PST by mrustow
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To: All
BTTT
58 posted on 03/22/2004 10:27:11 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
I didn't contradict anything, Einstein.
59 posted on 03/22/2004 10:32:52 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: HitmanNY
You set up what you call a "general prinmciple," which you immediately contradicted, and went so far as to project your contradiction onto me. Maybe you're illiterate, maybe you're retarded, or maybe you're just a liar. In any event, it's not my problem.
60 posted on 03/22/2004 11:36:08 AM PST by mrustow
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