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Wes Clark Claims Richard Clarke Allegations "not Political" (Today Show this-dog-won't-hunt alert)

Posted on 03/22/2004 4:44:43 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

Edited on 03/22/2004 4:53:53 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

For once, let's start with the conclusion, then get to the facts. Conclusion: the allegations by Richard Clarke that the Bush administration was asleep at the switch when it came to fighting terror pre-9/11 will not have a significant negative impact on W's re-election prospects.

The Dems have given it their best shot, starting with last night's appearance by Richard Clarke on 60 Minutes, and continuing this morning with an appearance on the Today Show of Kerry surrogate Wesley Clark.

And the reliably liberal Norah O'Donnell, in her set-up piece before the interviews of Condi Rice and Wes Clark did her best to hide Richard Clarke's Clinton ties. She never mentioned that Clarke was in the Clinton administration. At very end of he piece she alluded to the fact that he was involved with anti-terror "for a decade" but didn't put that in the political context. You might say she mentioned the fact to build his credentials as an expert rather than to expose his political bias.

Here's the case against the political significance of Richard Clarke's statements: First, he presented them in blatantly political manner. The clip shown on Today this morning shows Clarke animatedly asserting that it is "outrageous" that W is running for re-election on the basis of strong leadership on national security, whereas he in fact did a poor job.

So Clarke himself immediately casts his allegations in a political context. Given that he was a long-time member of the Clinton admin who was a hold-over in the Bush administration, his bona fides as a neutral observer are very questionable.

Next, there is the Dems problem with people in glass houses not throwing stones. As Condi Rice pointed out in her interview with Matt Lauer, Richard Clarke was the anti-terror czar during the the first bombing of the WTC bombing, of the Khobar towers, the Cole, the US embassies in Africa and most of the advance planning for 9/11. Yet he and the Clinton administration did little or nothing to stop or react to any of them.

The deluded Wes Clark was interviewed by (the ditzy) Ann Curry. Clark tried to keep a straight face - and to give him credit, he certainly didn't blink ;-) - while claiming that Richard Clarke's charges were "not political."

But even the very liberal Curry clearly was not buying. She interrupted Clark on a number of occasions, repeating the charges that Condi had made to the effect that the Clinton administration shared the blame. Clark made a pitiful effort to change the subject, claiming that the Clinton admin's responsibility is "not the question."

Curry then asserted: "but you supported the war against Iraq."

A very agitated Clark shot back: "I never supported the war!" [Well, with the exception of that first statement I made on the first day of my presidential campaign when I said I did. But that was before Mary helped me.]

Curry: "But John Kerry supported the war. He voted for the resolution."

Clark: "He supported dealing with the problem, but not in the way the Bush administration did so."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: richardclarke; wesleyclark
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Again, my sense is that this political dog just won't hunt for the Dems. It's such an obvious set-up. Clarke's trying to sell a book, the Dems are trying to get off the issue of Kerry's weakness on defense, Clarke is an old Clinton admin hand, the Clinton admin's anti-terror record is pathetically weak.

When the Today Show hosts show signs of skepticism about an attack launched on W, you know the Dems are in trouble!

1 posted on 03/22/2004 4:44:43 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; YaYa123; MEG33; ...
Today Show ping.
2 posted on 03/22/2004 4:45:45 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: All

one democrat supporting the lies of another democrat....perfect


3 posted on 03/22/2004 4:46:15 AM PST by The Wizard
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; Diogenesis
Diogenesis, do you still have that list of terror attacks that took place on Toon's watch? Paging Richard Clarke...
4 posted on 03/22/2004 4:46:47 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
from Feb 2001, http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20010213-1.html
We have no higher priority than the defense of our people against terrorist attack.
5 posted on 03/22/2004 4:48:03 AM PST by palmer (Solutions, not just slogans -JFKerry)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Governs,Condi lowered the boom on Clarke on Fox and Ijaz Monsoor called Clarke a liar without using the word.He was furious at Clarke's "story".

Maybe this won't play except to distraught 911 families,needing someone to pin their loss on...and dems,of course.
6 posted on 03/22/2004 4:50:41 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
When you move into a new house, be sure to rid it of vermin from the previous owner. Clark belonged to Clinton.
7 posted on 03/22/2004 4:53:25 AM PST by kdot
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To: MEG33
Glad to hear it. As you probably noticed, Condi was scheduled to come on FNC before 7 AM, but when her appearance was postponed I switched to Today.

Ijaz is a riot. He kind of reminds me of Geraldo. He's always very excited about one thing or another, but it rarely seems that his breathless predictions come true. Still, he always comes across as very authoritative, which is helpful!
8 posted on 03/22/2004 4:53:53 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: kdot
When you move into a new house, be sure to rid it of vermin from the previous owner.

Paging Tom Delay?

9 posted on 03/22/2004 4:54:29 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Clarke's book is published by Free Press, which I believe is an imprint of Simon & Shyster. Figures, doesn't it?
10 posted on 03/22/2004 4:55:35 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Agreed - they were probably hoping this story would last all week too. I'm wondering if the Kerry camp was hoping to pre-empt what will undoubtedly be the very ugly reality that the U.N. oil-for-food program will unveil the fact that France, Russia and the U.N. were taking bribes to keep Saddam in place. Makes Kerry's nonsense about needing to "internationalize" (read: get U.N. approval) look like the fools errand that it was. In fact, it makes Kerry and his leftist friends look like dupes.
11 posted on 03/22/2004 4:55:37 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
Excellent point. I swear that every time Kerry mentions the words "UN" or "internationalize" in a speech, he loses a few thousand voters.
12 posted on 03/22/2004 4:56:39 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: kdot
Clarke was a 30 year veteran but he has a book to sell and is friendly with Richard Baer,a Kerry supporter,who may be in a Kerry cabinet if the very worst possible outcome happens.
13 posted on 03/22/2004 4:58:27 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Clark tried to keep a straight face - and to give him credit, he certainly didn't blink

Which is not unusual for a reptile.

Great write-up. Thanks.

14 posted on 03/22/2004 4:58:39 AM PST by ru4liberty (I don't know what tomorrow holds, but I know Who holds tomorrow. May His Name ever be praised!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
There is a pattern. Every few months, a Clintonite comes out of the woodwork with accusations and allegations.

I would bet these are scheduled and planned by the Clinton machine. They serve several purposes:

They try to spin event.
They try to rewrite history.
They try to cast allegations against GWB administration.

Well, sorry, Bill, but your legacy has already been cast in stone. All the spin and attempts to rewrite history just won't work. Too much truth exists. Sorry Bill.
15 posted on 03/22/2004 4:59:40 AM PST by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hindsight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Richard Clarke was and is a Clintonista. He made a sweetheart deal with CBS to give his 'exclusive interview' on 60 Minutes: Viacom also owns the his publisher. He plans to make a career of these fabricated charges. I choose to believe Lieberman over this dorky, over-inflated, Clintonite wing-nut wacko.
16 posted on 03/22/2004 4:59:55 AM PST by ex-Texan
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Yesterday on newsmax.com, it was reported that according to ABC White House correspondent, Terry Moran: one of Richard Clarke's closest friends and colleagues, Rand Beers, is one of the top foreign policy advisors to Sen.Kerry. So much for this being "not political"! Interesting also how Clarke didn't want to discuss Clinton passing a number of chances to get Bin Laden.
17 posted on 03/22/2004 5:00:08 AM PST by anniebsings
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Again, my sense is that this political dog just won't hunt for the Dems. It's such an obvious setup
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I agree. When the dems put ol' straight talk Wesley up against Dr Rice, they know they have a loser.

Ann Compton reported live (from the White House) on the 7AM ABC radio news and she flubbed her lines. It is the first time I have ever heard such a thing. She was clearly rattled and most likely it was because what Dr Rice said was so devastating to Clarke's accusations.
18 posted on 03/22/2004 5:00:23 AM PST by maica (World Peace starts with W)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Clarke has ties to the Kerry campaign. Check it out:

Source url: http://www.powerlineblog.com/

Scroll down to the heading, "Richard Clarke, Fraud"

But is Clarke only a bitter ex-bureaucrat, or is there more to his attack on President Bush? Let's consider both Clarke's personal history and his current employment. Clarke now teaches at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government; here is his Kennedy School bio, which notes that the capstone of his career in the State Department was his service as Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs.

Another professor at the Kennedy School is Rand Beers, who is evidently an old friend and colleague of Clarke's, as Beers' Kennedy School bio says that "[d]uring most of his career he served in the State Department's Bureau of Politico-Military Affairs."

So Clarke and Beers, old friends and colleagues, have continued their association at the Kennedy School. Indeed, they even teach a course together. And, by the most astonishing coincidence, their course relates directly to the subject matter of Clarke's attack on the Bush administration: "Post-Cold War Security: Terrorism, Security, and Failed States" is the name of the course. Here is its syllabus:

Between them Rand Beers and Richard Clarke spent over 20 years in the White House on the National Security Council and over 60 years in national security departments and agencies. They helped to shape the transition from Cold War security issues to the challenges of terrorism, international crime, and failed states...Case studies will include Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Iraq, Colombia, and Afghanistan. Challenges of counter-terrorism and homeland security will also be addressed.

Why do we find this particularly significant? Because Rand Beers' bio says:

He resigned [his State Department position] in March 2003 and retired in April. He began work on John Kerry's Presidential campaign in May 2003 as National Security/Homeland Security Issue Coordinator.

There you have it: Richard Clarke is a bitter, discredited bureaucrat who was an integral part of the Clinton administration's failed approach to terrorism, was demoted by President Bush, and is now an adjunct to John Kerry's presidential campaign.

Thanks to the indefatigable Dafydd ab Hugh for noting the connections between Clarke and Beers.

19 posted on 03/22/2004 5:00:48 AM PST by Brandon
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To: kdot
Rand Beers,not Richard Baers.
20 posted on 03/22/2004 5:02:28 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: anniebsings
Thanks for the interesting info.

Clark's attempts to ignore the Clinton admin's pathetic anti-terror record was pathetic itself.

With friends like Howard Dean and Wes Clark, Kerry doesn't need enemies!
21 posted on 03/22/2004 5:03:41 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Still, he [Mansoor] always comes across as very authoritative, which is helpful!

He seems to have more credibility because (1) he is not a politician, so he appears to have no axe to grind, (2) he is a reporter/consultant, so that separates him from the political interests.

His denouncement of Clarke and his own admission of direct (personal) involvement in negotiating for bin Laden, etc., gives him more validity than Clarke, a disgruntled, demoted political appointee, has.
22 posted on 03/22/2004 5:04:10 AM PST by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hindsight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: Brandon
Great info!
23 posted on 03/22/2004 5:04:14 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: TomGuy
I do like Ijaz, but I also see him as a bit of an ambitious self-promoter in the Geraldo mold. I therefore tend to take his reports with a grain of salt. Here's his bio from FNC:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,46241,00.html
24 posted on 03/22/2004 5:08:33 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: mewzilla
Here's my "cut and paste" effort:

Oct. 12, 2000 - A terrorist bomb damages the destroyer USS Cole in the port of Aden, Yemen, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39.

Aug. 7, 1998 - Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. In Nairobi, 12 Americans are among the 291 killed, and over 5,000 are wounded, including 6 Americans. In Dar es Salaam, one U.S. citizen is wounded among the 10 killed and 77 injured.

In June 21, 1998 - Rocket-propelled grenades explode near the U.S. embassy in Beirut. July 27, 1996 - A pipe bomb explodes during the Olympic games in Atlanta, killing one person and wounding 111.

June 25, 1996 - A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air force installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 U.S. military personnel are killed in the Khubar Towers housing facility, and 515 are wounded, including 240 Americans.

Nov. 13, 1995 - A car-bomb in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills seven people, five of them American military and civilian advisers for National Guard training. The "Tigers of the Gulf," "Islamist Movement for Change," and "Fighting Advocates of God" claim responsibility.

April 19, 1995 - A car bomb destroys the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people and wounding over 600.

February 1993 - A bomb in a van explodes in the underground parking garage in New York's World Trade Center, killing six people and wounding 1,042.

25 posted on 03/22/2004 5:10:30 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
The American people are going to slice through this BS like warm buttah!

Imus sure did. Clark's book is published by a subsididary (sp) of Simon Schuster, which is owned by Viacom, which owns CBS, who got the 60 Minutes interview. (Dontcha love it when Leslie Stahl makes her eyes get real real big, like she's just heard something shocking?)

And Clark is now an ABC "consultant", and we are supposed to think that's a non-partisan position..DUH. But get this, the Clinton hold-over bastard is a Kerry advisor!

Condi Rice did a great job on all the channels I caught her, but Imus got it just right when he said Clark cared so much about the security of his country that he took the time to write a book, rather than correcting the problem.

By the way, I'm not worried one bit that this bastard will hurt President Bush with his breathless revelations. They are too nasty, too partisan, and over the top....the American people recognize a political hatchet job for political advantage and personal profit when they see one.

And one more thing....I hope this latest outrage is the nail in the coffin of any Republican holding over anyone from previous Demo administrations. Fire em all!

26 posted on 03/22/2004 5:10:35 AM PST by YaYa123 (@The Kerrys Care About All The Little People...who cook, clean and schlep for them.com)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
It's great to see Condi reminding people that the Clintoon administration had this guy from the get-go, when the first WTC bombing happened and all the other al Qaeda actions while they openly declared war on the USA, but Bush is supposedly to blame for a mere 7 months and a few weeks. They aren't going to get away with it and it's great Condi and the administration are responding in reminding people of this. People need to be reminded.
27 posted on 03/22/2004 5:11:41 AM PST by bushfamfan
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To: YaYa123
Great post. Dittos all around.
28 posted on 03/22/2004 5:11:51 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
Thanks a lot! Best I can tell, the only thing that Clarke is/was good at is self-aggrandizement.
29 posted on 03/22/2004 5:12:37 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I,too,take Ijaz with a grain of salt and he can be breathless and wrong!This morning he was furious and I have not seen him that way lately.
30 posted on 03/22/2004 5:16:03 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Brandon
Clarke has ties to the Kerry campaign. Check it out:

Source url: http://www.powerlineblog.com/


Dang Internet!!!! How's a liberal supposed to hoodwink the populace now?????? Seems every time they try any more, the truth surfaces at the speed of electrons. What's a lying liberal supposed to do????? Oh agony of agonies!!!!
31 posted on 03/22/2004 5:16:33 AM PST by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hindsight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Wesley Clark is the dumbest politician since Jimmy Carter.
32 posted on 03/22/2004 5:16:55 AM PST by Savage Beast ("Vote Democrat!" ~Osama bin Laden "Kerry for President!" ~Ayman Zawahri)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Haag on FoxNews calling 8 years of Clinton, incompetent. lol
33 posted on 03/22/2004 5:18:11 AM PST by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hindsight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: Savage Beast
Wesley Clark is the dumbest politician since Jimmy Carter.

Isn't it odd that Clark's supposed credential was that he was this "brilliant Rhodes Scholar"? What a loser.

34 posted on 03/22/2004 5:18:53 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; StriperSniper; Mo1
Who published this new Clark book?
35 posted on 03/22/2004 5:19:56 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: risk
#19 FYI
36 posted on 03/22/2004 5:22:18 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; kcvl
Thanks for another good reporting of the Today Show ..

This happened over on the Fox & Friends show

To: OldFriend
Monsoor Ijaz just cleared up Richard Clark's lies. Richard Clark went to Sandy Burger and blocked the effort to get Osama Bin Laden, AT EVERY STEP. Monsoor will challenge him on any television show or testify anywhere he is asked. Monsoor said that Clark is completely out of control and he will see that Clark is held accountable for the lies he is telling.
57 posted on 03/22/2004 7:28:25 AM EST by kcvl

37 posted on 03/22/2004 5:24:41 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: MEG33; ALOHA RONNIE; Ragtime Cowgirl
Richard Clarke is a bitter, discredited bureaucrat who was an integral part of the Clinton administration's failed approach to terrorism...

Plus he's engrossed in the elect-Kerry machine? Works for me.

38 posted on 03/22/2004 5:25:34 AM PST by risk
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To: risk
There's a lot being exposed this morning!
39 posted on 03/22/2004 5:27:08 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Mo1
Thanks Mo1. Looks like this is one Dem attack that won't get traction.

"We now return you to our regularly-scheduled humorous Bush campaign attack ads on John Kerry." ;-)
40 posted on 03/22/2004 5:27:23 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
unfortunately, folks, Clarke has tons of credibility. worked for both repubs and dems.

i am going to study him further and his history. if anyone has links, i would appreciate them. if this came out of Carville's stained mouth it would be different. i want to take a close look. i hope it isn't true. i'll report back if/when i find anything
41 posted on 03/22/2004 5:29:34 AM PST by rantaway
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To: OXENinFLA
From Amazon it says Free Press

Product Details
Hardcover: 304 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.13 x 9.30 x 6.36
Publisher: Free Press; (March 22, 2004)
ISBN: 0743260244
In-Print Editions: Audio Cassette (Abridged) | Audio CD (Abridged) | All Editions
Amazon.com Sales Rank: 5
(Publishers and authors: improve your sales)

42 posted on 03/22/2004 5:30:37 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Fabulous post, presented beautifully. Thank you for watching and sharing your observations. You do us all an incredible service.

I was worried that only Fox was presenting the administration's response to Clarke's ludicrous charges. Dr. Rice did a wonderful job combating these lies this morning.
43 posted on 03/22/2004 5:32:28 AM PST by Quilla
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To: rantaway
#19
44 posted on 03/22/2004 5:32:38 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: rantaway
Clarke has tons of credibility.

Have you read the other posts about Clarke on this and other threads? Are you aware that he has close ties to the Kerry campaign and that there is every reason to think that he is an embittered Dem partisan?

I don't like to immediately accuse newbies of being trolls, but I do note that you registered recently and as far as I can tell this is your first post.

45 posted on 03/22/2004 5:33:25 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: MEG33
THANKS! looking into it. that helps TONS!
46 posted on 03/22/2004 5:34:14 AM PST by rantaway
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
am reading that now. not my first post but haven't been around much (understanding your concern).

am reading more as we speak. thanks for the heads up
47 posted on 03/22/2004 5:35:17 AM PST by rantaway
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To: anniegetyourgun
The UN scam will be an ongoing story. There will be tons of connections, deals, payoffs, etc. uncovered between now and the election. The Dems will be running like sceeerd rats to get away from that story.
48 posted on 03/22/2004 5:35:46 AM PST by hobson
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Thanks Mo1. Looks like this is one Dem attack that won't get traction.

This is an atrocity! If those mean Bushies don't stop, Clarke's book won't even sell as many as (or as few) as Jason Blair did. So far, Blair's Burning Down My Masters' House, after 2 weeks of interview plugs on the liberal media, has sold around 3,000 total copies.

lol.
49 posted on 03/22/2004 5:36:13 AM PST by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hindsight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: Quilla
Thanks, Q. I was actually a bit distracted with other matters this morning while watching Today and composing my thread, so I'm particularly glad to read that you found it useful.
50 posted on 03/22/2004 5:36:36 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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