YES!! Limbaugh discussing Kerry and the plot in Kansas City

Rush | 3-23-04 | dfu

[doug from upland]

Yes!! Limbaugh finally discussing the plot in Kansas City in 1971 to assassinate U.S. senators. Kerry has been lying. The door has now been opened. It is about time this has been on Rush's show.

[Iwo Jima]

Marked for later reading.

[An.American.Expatriate]

Maybe some of you lawyer types can correct me on this, but IIRC, during my training as an investigator for the US Army we had to learn, among other things, the a lot about what constitutes a crime.

Conspiracy, again IIRC, was not just simply a bunch a of people discussing/debatting/etc a criminal act. Instead an "overt act" in furtherance of the plan was required. For instance, if a group plans to rob a bank, and needs a getaway car - it is not conspiracy until the car needed is somehow appropriated (Caution: extremely oversimplified!!)

Since the plan was voted down - this could be the reason that the AG never wnet after the group for the conspiracy.

just me recollections.....

[archy]

Why didn't the FBI act on this in 1971?

It wasn't until January 31, 1973 that there was any indication of it being anything more than talk. See following.

This is the American Forces Vietnam Network.

< -snip- >

News compiled from major commercial and military news sources.

It’s 5 pm.

In the top of the News, Senator John Stennis underwent a lengthy operation at Walter Reed Army Medical Center after he was shot during a hold up in front of his Washington home today.

The surgery was for the removal of two bullets, one from the Senator’s chest, and one from his left leg.

A hospital spokesman says that Stennis’ condition is listed as stable.

White House News Secretary Ronald Ziegler says that President Nixon has been informed of the shooting, and has instructed the FBI to assist in every possible way.

A 1971 law makes it a federal crime to assault or kidnap or kill a member of Congress.

Stennis, who entered the Senate in 1947, is Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Police spokesman say the 71 year-old Mississippi Democrat was shot as he stepped from his car in front of his home.

They say the assailants got Stennis’ gold watch, wallet, and 25 cents in change.

The Senator reportedly offered no resistance to his assailants, and, after being shot, crawled fifty feet to his house, where his wife called the police.

Police say they are searching for two black men in connection with the shooting.

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[unsycophant]

Think what you like. I'm reading these threads just like you and the thirty other people who are following them, and the references to murder conspiracies and assassination plots come up in every thread in connection to Kerry. If the goal is to get rid of candidate Kerry, by any means, then by ALL means these kinds of stories should continue. Maybe the smoking gun you (all) need will turn up in those FBI files that Mojo's waiting on, and you will be entirely vindicated as a disgraced Kerry hands the crown over to Hillary Clinton.

I was a little surprised to see how violent some of the reactions are when someone dares to disagree with the hardcore proponents of this story, too. What's going to happen when the mainstream media gets on to it, if simple criticism evokes such hostile responses? Or don't you (all) believe the same kinds of questions might be asked by the media--or worse, the voting public? Be prepared!

The question "Was Kerry present" seems to be answered. If you notice, the points keep changing though, every time the next question is answered. Kerry knew about a plot, but didn't report it. Nobody died, because the plot wasn't carried out. The FBI didn't know about the plot because they were given the slip---it wasn't reported--Kerry is guilty of not reporting a plot that he wasn't a part of, but was present to hear, but which wasn't implemented, but which should have been reported, which he or others lied about knowing about, lied about being present for, were eventually outed by the FBI as being present in the town but at a meeting not know of by the FBI....It does not seem to resolve at a final point.

I also saw the post that you pulled from Hon, which was antifreeping insane. Had those comments been aimed at you, or one of the protected---say a FRN type---I wonder whether he'd still be here. LOL. Doubt it. Take care now, and good luck!

[unsycophant]

Your comments are probably right about the public learning about "credible" evidence. So far, the public hasn't, and that seems to be part of your problem. Once they do--let's see how fast Kerry is kicked out of the DNC and demoted, or even arrested.

I believe Kennedy intended to run around 1980? or so, but withdrew because there was a dead body floating around in his past that he knew would haunt his campaign.

Unless you're saying Kerry has the same problem, your analogy was off.

Bye-bye now.

[hoosierpearl]

"How do we know he didn't report it? How do we know for sure he wasn't working for the FBI?"

Oh come on! Did you read Sabertooth's posts #39 and #188?
He has lots of documentation, sources. If Kerry did report it, that would be something in his favor and he ought to come out with that.
One of the articles Sabertooth posted said Kerry didn't know anything about the FBI watching him. Doesn't sound like he could possibly be working with them.

If you believe that he was working with the FBI can you prove that one?

As you said, it would put a big crimp in his Vietnam protesting credentials. Which would be another flip flop wouldn't it? Should someone be running for president who can't be honest and open about his background? No. No matter what the reason.

If you had read Sabertooth's posts and the articles, you would know that Kerry is maintaining contact with some of those people at that meeting, and some who advocated assasination. Also that these senators were targets of the North Vietnamese government. That makes things even worse, to be doing the work that the North Vietnamese govt wants done. Good Americans aren't they? Just referencing Sabertooth's articles.

[Dales]

You too. It is always a pleasure having my motivations questioned by someone of your stature.

[Bonaparte]

unsycophant [post 143]: "...not a 33-year old murder conspiracy that the FBI says Kerry had no part in."
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AFAIK, the FBI has not said that. On the basis of available reports, all discussed in this thread...

1) There is one out-of-context statement, alledgedly extracted from the report of one FBI agent and brought to our attention by interested parties (Kerry campaign and the liberal media), that states Kerry was not involved in violent activity. ("Violent activity" would include things like actually shooting people and blowing things up.)

2) Kerry was reportedly:

a).. party to a discussion contemplating assassination of US Senators (a felony called conspiracy) by "ranking" members of an organization co-founded and led by him;

b).. participated in a vote on that proposal;

c).. failed to report this crime (conspiracy to assassinate US Senators);

d).. has subsequently denied his participation in and knowledge of that conspiracy and maintained that he quit that organization before that meeting took place;

e).. more recently, has been forced to backpedal on his previous claims in (d).

3) Author Nicosia has published an account of Kerry's attendance at the meeting in question (the one Kerry initially claimed he did not attend) and he has cited FBI documents in support of that account.

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"Once they [the public] do [see credible evidence] --let's see how fast Kerry is kicked out of the DNC and demoted, or even arrested.

Is a straw man the best you can do? Nobody, least of all myself, has claimed that Kerry would be "kicked out of the DNC" or "arrested." I argued only that credible evidence of his involvement in that conspiracy would compromise his electability. Why not address what I actually said, instead of creating weak and absurd arguments, implying that they are mine and then batting them down?

There is a reason that the Kerry campaign has put all this time and effort into responding to these accusations and providing related materials to the media reporting on this development. And that reason is that, if not deflected, these revelations could destroy his bid for the Presidency. In that sense (the sense that I obviously intended in my post), Kerry would wind up having the same problem as Ted Kennedy, ie. unelectability to the office of the Presidency due to public knowledge of past misdeeds.

No "apples and oranges" here. The analogy holds quite well.

[Bonaparte]

"It is amazing to watch..."

Yes, it is. Unless forced to do otherwise, the media will spike any facts significantly adverse to the Kerry campaign. They are quite shamelessly circling their wagons around their preferred candidate, while persisting in their pretense of "journalistic integrity."

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Too bad FOX NEWS won't touch this story.
Laura Ingam covered this story on 3/18

[doug from upland]

Lipscomb was on FOX News a week and a half ago. And didn't Hume cover it?

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Not according to Laura.
As of 3/18 no TV coverage at all.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

I still haven't seen it on TV at all.

[Bullish]

You really ought to call Ted Kennedy's office and inform him that he could have run for President in 2000. The matter of that "drowned girl" is old news, as old as the news of Kerry's treasonous (yes, treasonous) activities and criminal (yes, criminal) associations.

Bada-Bing!

[dimk]

This is a very interesting story. Once enough information is accumulated it might be a good idea to claim domain with name like www.kerry-former-terrorist.org or something simillar.

Post the whole thing in a nice organised fashion. Pictures of the discussed target senators their kids, also stress the fact that one of them was a democrat. Nice diagram showing the organisational structure and Kerry's place in it, timeline diagram with pictures of Kerry and his "friends".

Could then gather some money to run adds on all sort of different websites: sports, men magazines and such with a headline:"Kerry directed assasination plot! Read about it here." Make background to be 6 cards with faces of the senators they wanted to kill.

I bet this would cost a small fraction of any tv add and would draw media attention in a matter of 1 day then the whole thing will be impossible to ignore and explaining membership in an organisation that considered political assasination is pretty hard, even for a democrat weasel.

[Edit35]

Kerry should come clean about his involvement in the assassination plot.

Kerry will never offer to come clean.

It will have to be brought out by a question from a reporter either during a campaign stop, or during the debates.

I'm sure Kerry already has an answer prepared. Wonder what it is??

[rwfromkansas]

The story ended up being that well, he was at the meeting. But, there was no convincing evidence he supported the plot...everything pointed to him opposing it.

Now, just not telling anyone about the plot was pretty significant, but I don't find the story to be too massive.

I did at the time, but now......not really.

[montag813]

Yes!! Limbaugh finally discussing the plot in Kansas City in 1971 to assassinate U.S. senators. Kerry has been lying. The door has now been opened. It is about time this has been on Rush's show.

Let's not get carried away. Rush's "door" is hardly what is considered credible journalism by the media. I wouldn't expect any resonance.

[doug from upland]

I actually got three other reporters at major newspapers to do the story. It has not been forgotten.