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To: Sabertooth
Of course it is obvious, but JFK's assasination was in yet *another* neighboring Southern state, Texas. Of course, that's a pretty weak connection since it was 10 years earlier *and* the other events did not occur in the Southern states themselves, but rather, to Southern Democrats (conservative ones, or at least all anti-Communists) from those neighboring Southern states.
27 posted on 03/23/2004 11:45:54 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack; Sabertooth
Of course it is obvious, but JFK's assasination was in yet *another* neighboring Southern state, Texas. Of course, that's a pretty weak connection since it was 10 years earlier *and* the other events did not occur in the Southern states themselves, but rather, to Southern Democrats (conservative ones, or at least all anti-Communists) from those neighboring Southern states.

Before sharing some thoughts on this, I'd want to preface with a caveat by echoing Sabertooth's caution in Post #1 against tinfoil links, as it will be difficult for me to document what I have to say here through online references only without linking to tinfoil sites, and it's a bit late at night for me to go digging up offline references. So some of the sites I'm going to link here, I link with the assumption of a large grain of salt and without endorsing everything claimed on these sites.

That said, I've done my share of research on various assassinations, and I will mention one of the more intriguing possible links I've found between the shootings of JFK, RFK, and George Wallace. Lee Harvey Oswald's alleged associate David Ferrie belonged to a schismatic cult called the "the Orthodox Old Catholic Church of North America -- also known as the Old Roman Catholic Church, Old Rite Orthodox Catholic Church, and Orthodox Catholic Church, among many other similar names." (David Ferrie and Earl Anglin James: Bishop in the Old Roman Catholic Church--Note: this group should not be confused with the Roman Catholic Church, nor with another church that also uses a similar name but predates Ferrie's group.) According to (I believe, off the top of my head) one study of the RFK assassination (William W. Turner and Jonn G. Christian LV, The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy: The Conspiracy and Coverup--see review at http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb01/WI) and page references at http://www.namebase.org/main4/William-Joseph-jr-Bryan.html), another associate of this group was psychologist William Joseph Bryan, who was an expert in "Manchurian Candidate"-type applications of psychology and was allegedly linked to Sirhan Sirhan. Bryan was also allegedly linked to Arthur Bremer, according to research summarized at this site:

In fact, Bremer had checked out two books on Sirhan from the Milwaukee Public Library in 1972 and had made comments about them in his journal. But perhaps the most interesting connection yet is the one discovered by Betsy Langman. Langman flew from her New York home to Los Angeles to talk to Dr. William Bryan, suspected hypnotist of Sirhan in the RFK assassination saga. On the pretext of doing an article on hypnosis, she encouraged the egotistical Bryan to elaborate at length on his ventures with "Boston Strangler" Albert Di Salvo, "Hollywood Strangler" Henry Bush, and about hypnosis in general. But when she brought up the subject of Sirhan, Bryan became suddenly curt and short-winded, charging out of the office declaring "This interview is over!"

A sympathetic secretary of Bryan’s joined Langman for coffee across the street, and dropped an interesting item. As Bill Turner and Jonn Christian recounted it in their book on the RFK case,

According to the secretary, Bryan had received an emergency call from Laurel, Marlyand, only minutes after George Wallace was shot. The call somehow concerned the shooting.25 [cites Turner and Christian, p. 227.]

Could Bremer have been hypnotized to shoot Wallace?

Also, while looking up the above references, I found one site (very tinfoil, I'll caution, as I haven't had a chance to fact-check this against other sources yet) which alleges:

Sirhan Sirhan

A co-worker of Sirhan at the stables was Thomas Bremer, whose mind-controlled brother Arthur, shot Governor George Wallace in 1972.

Whether these connections are coincidental or substantial or what they mean I don't claim to know; I post this in case anyone researching these subjects finds the information useful. However I will say this: ever since I've heard about the VVAW's assassination plans, I have suspected a connection to the George Wallace shooting; I've also been reminded of the Symbionese Liberation Army and Manson cult's attempts on President Ford in September 1975 (note that the SLA and the Family had formed an alliance at that time, and the SLA was in turn linked to a Maoist group that I would suspect of having at least distant kinship to the VVAW--for some interesting info on this, see Jim Martin, America's Al-Qaeda: The SLA-Venceremos Connection; also on the Family see the work of Ed Sanders and Maury Terry who link the Family to a Scientology-derived cult with various terrorist ties); and what I've read so far in this thread reinforces my suspicions that the VVAW assassination plot may have been part of a larger terrorist plot by the antiwar movement against pro-war politicians. If that was a case, I'd assume such a plot was ultimately KGB-directed (which would not be unprecedented given what is now known about KGB assassination operations in North America, Trotsky's assassination being one well-documented non-tinfoil example, Stalin's attempt to assassinate John Wayne being another which has recently come to light). How that may or may not relate to the two Kennedy shootings is a huge subject I won't attempt to address here at approximately 3:00 in the morning my time. And am I suggesting Kerry would've been aware of all this if it was going on?--no, if there was such a plot he'd be a very low-level conspirator on the outermost fringes of the process, I'd imagine; though even that would be scandalous given his negligence to report what plotting by the VVAW he was aware of, IMO.

At any rate, that's all on this for me for tonight. I'll check the thread again tomorrow, and if anyone has any further thoughts on this topic I'll be interested to hear them. Gonna go sleep under my tinfoil sheets now :) G'night all!

50 posted on 03/24/2004 1:04:25 AM PST by Fedora
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