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1 posted on 03/24/2004 11:53:42 AM PST by Junior
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2 posted on 03/24/2004 11:54:27 AM PST by Junior (No animals were harmed in the making of this post)
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Testing to see whether Law 1138 is in effect.
3 posted on 03/24/2004 11:55:44 AM PST by Junior (No animals were harmed in the making of this post)
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Yawn..

More straw clutching

4 posted on 03/24/2004 11:57:58 AM PST by Outer Limits
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"The mutation would have reduced the Darwinian fitness of those individuals," said anthropologist Bernard Wood of George Washington University. "It only would've become fixed if it coincided with mutations that reduced tooth size, jaw size and increased brain size. What are the chances of that?"

Interesting point. I wonder if anyone on this thread can come up with an explanation.

5 posted on 03/24/2004 11:58:50 AM PST by Modernman (Chthulu for President! Why Vote for the Lesser Evil?)
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>The provocative discovery suggests that this genetic twist — toward smaller, weaker jaws — unleashed a cascade of profound biological changes. The smaller jaws would allow for dramatic brain growth necessary for tool-making, language and other hallmarks of human evolution


8 posted on 03/24/2004 12:03:56 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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Surprised that we haven't heard from a band of screaming, Bible hurling fundamentalist Edenites from this post.

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame37.html
11 posted on 03/24/2004 12:05:46 PM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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Gene Mutation !?!?!

I think my sister used to date him!

15 posted on 03/24/2004 12:08:40 PM PST by jigsaw (God Bless Our Troops.)
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This is Reuter's version of the story:

LONDON (Reuters) - A genetic mutation that occurred 2.4 million years ago could be the reason why modern humans have such big brains and weak jaws, scientists said on Wednesday.

They discovered that a fault in a gene called MYH16 in modern humans happened at about the same time that their skulls started to change in shape from other primates, allowing their brains to increase in size.

But the trade-off was a smaller, less powerful jaw.

"The coincidence in time...may mean that the decrease in jaw muscle size and force eliminated stress on the skull which released an evolutionary constraint on brain growth," said Nancy Minugh-Purvis, a member of the team at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, that made the discovery.

All humans have the MYH16 mutation but other primates, including chimpanzees and macaques, still have the intact gene. Over the past few million years, since the genetic fault occurred, human skulls have grown three times in size and the outwardly elongated jaws have receded.

Pete Currie, of the Victor Chang Cardiac Research Institute in Sydney, believes the research published in the science journal Nature could be the first functional genetic difference between humans and apes.

"Remarkably, the timing of the appearance of this genetic alteration, or mutation, roughly coincides with the appearance of "human-like" characteristics in the hominid fossil record," Currie said in a commentary in the journal.

Minugh-Purvis along with Hansell Stedman and other experts at the university pieced together the complicated puzzle after discovering that the gene was intact in primates but mutated in all humans.

A genetic fault is often linked with some type of inherited disease but the scientists were puzzled about what type of disease was common in all humans throughout the world.

Further research revealed that MYH16 was associated with muscles involved in chewing and biting and it encoded a protein in primate jaw muscles. This led the researchers to suspect the so-called disease in humans was a weaker bite.

Stedman and his colleague said the weaker bite would have lessened the force on the skull so it could grow larger and provide more space for a bigger brain.

"We can only hope that this study represents the vanguard of a new wave of analyzes that focus on the genetic basis of human evolution," Currie added.

A genetic mutation that occurred 2.4 million years ago could be the reason why modern humans have such big brains and weak jaws, scientists said Wednesday.

They discovered that a fault in a gene called MYH16 in modern humans happened at about the same time that their skulls started to change in shape from other primates, allowing their brains to increase in size.

But the trade-off was a smaller, less powerful jaw.

"The coincidence in time...may mean that the decrease in jaw muscle size and force eliminated stress on the skull which released an evolutionary constraint on brain growth," said Nancy Minugh-Purvis, a member of the team at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, that made the discovery.

All humans have the MYH16 mutation but other primates, including chimpanzees and macaques, still have the intact gene. Over the past few million years, since the genetic fault occurred, human skulls have grown three times in size and the outwardly elongated jaws have receded.

Pete Currie, of the Victor Chang Cardiac Research Institute in Sydney, believes the research published in the science journal Nature could be the first functional genetic difference between humans and apes.

"Remarkably, the timing of the appearance of this genetic alteration, or mutation, roughly coincides with the appearance of "human-like" characteristics in the hominid fossil record," Currie said in a commentary in the journal.

Minugh-Purvis along with Hansell Stedman and other experts at the university pieced together the complicated puzzle after discovering that the gene was intact in primates but mutated in all humans.

A genetic fault is often linked with some type of inherited disease but the scientists were puzzled about what type of disease was common in all humans throughout the world.

Further research revealed that MYH16 was associated with muscles involved in chewing and biting and it encoded a protein in primate jaw muscles. This led the researchers to suspect the so-called disease in humans was a weaker bite.

Stedman and his colleague said the weaker bite would have lessened the force on the skull so it could grow larger and provide more space for a bigger brain.

"We can only hope that this study represents the vanguard of a new wave of analyzes that focus on the genetic basis of human evolution," Currie added.

16 posted on 03/24/2004 12:09:54 PM PST by Junior (No animals were harmed in the making of this post)
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YEC INTREP - this mutation would require an increase in information, as well as a radical change in the information (DNA). Since this is highly problematical, I will take this report with a HUGE does of salt.
21 posted on 03/24/2004 12:19:55 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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Igniting a scientific furor, scientists say they .. may have .. suggests ... It's a very intriguing possibility...Scientists assume ... it probably took ...

Evolutionary science is really just another crapshoot.
22 posted on 03/24/2004 12:22:42 PM PST by aimhigh
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Seems pretty straight-forward to me... the crank is turned which rotates the gears, causing the lever to move and push the stop sign against the shoe. The shoe kicks over the bucket holding metal ball which rolls down the rickety stairs and into the rainpipe to hit the helping hand rod. This causes the bowling ball to fall from the top of the helping hand through the thing-a-ma-jig and the bathtub, to land on the diving board. The weight of bowling ball catapults the diver through the air and into the wash tub, causing the cage to fall from top of post and trap the unsuspecting mouse.

In like manner, the smaller jaw turned ape like creatures into humans.

24 posted on 03/24/2004 12:25:08 PM PST by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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So far, perhaps 250 genetic differences have been flagged for further study.

And that's just how many have been flagged for study. It doesn't say how many genetic differences there are.

Sounds a lot more like a lot of design work than random mutations to me.

33 posted on 03/24/2004 12:36:41 PM PST by DannyTN
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Gee whiz, everyone knows it was the monolith that caused apes to turn into humans. These guys need to find a job.
34 posted on 03/24/2004 12:43:22 PM PST by microgood
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Why would this have to be caused by a mutation? There was probably enough diversity in jaw sizes to accommodate a shift without any major genetic changes, just as there is in the present human population. Just look at how many different varieties of canis familiaris there are ... all arising from the same set of genes.
41 posted on 03/24/2004 12:57:55 PM PST by Agnes Heep (Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster)
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Without the strong bands of muscle constraining the skull, the Penn researchers said the Homo skull changed shape and grew to accommodate a much larger brain, while the Australopithicine skulls did not.

This makes a bit of sense. Observe this chimp skull:

Without the need for all that extra materal up there to hold the massive jaw muscles, a different -- and separate -- mutation for a larger brain case would then be able to survive. It could pass through the birth canal without killing the baby. One mutation, the relatively trivial one for a smaller jaw, makes the other mutation able to survive.

43 posted on 03/24/2004 1:00:45 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Everything good that I have done, I have done at the command of my voices.)
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"It only would've become fixed if it coincided with mutations that reduced tooth size, jaw size and increased brain size. What are the chances of that?"

I don't know the answer to that, but sometimes one mutation has broad spectrum of effects.

48 posted on 03/24/2004 1:07:52 PM PST by js1138
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But nonhuman primates — including our closest animal relative, the chimpanzee — still carry the original big-jaw gene and thanks to stout muscles attached to the tops of their heads, they can bite and grind the toughest foods.

This article explains a whole lot.
50 posted on 03/24/2004 1:08:23 PM PST by adam_az (Call your state Republican party office and VOLUNTEER FOR A CAMPAIGN!!!)
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Igniting a scientific furor, scientists say they may have found the genetic mutation that first separated the earliest humans from their apelike ancestors.

First? The hominids had been walking upright for a couple million years before this mutation came along. And their jaws had been smaller than chimp jaws for a long time, too, without any great increase in brain size.

I'm not saying that they haven't uncovered a significant step on the road from ape to man, but it looks like just one out of many.

57 posted on 03/24/2004 1:23:07 PM PST by Physicist
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Something I didn't see in the article, and not brought up in the posts, is what this mutation did to the ability of (pre)humans to use tools.

A pre-human that required tools to eat (because of smaller jaw size), would have started down the evolutionary path to real humans. And it would have started the evolution of a toolmaking culture, which is equally important as the DNA evolution going on.

The key to the article isn't brain size brought on by smaller muscles. It's the beginning of tool making, the biggest definition of humans over apes. (yes I know apes make "tools", but they don't chip rocks into arrowheads)

84 posted on 03/24/2004 1:59:45 PM PST by narby (Who would Osama vote for???)
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This Just In:
'Slack-Jawed Mouth Breathers' Will Have The Most PhD’s in 2425 Via Evolution

134 posted on 03/24/2004 4:51:28 PM PST by Heartlander
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