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Stealth Invasion
The New American ^ | April 5, 2004 | William Norman Grigg

Posted on 03/24/2004 1:10:39 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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To: gubamyster
Ping.
21 posted on 03/24/2004 3:25:13 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Either we will defeat terrorism, or terrorism will defeat us.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The “invasion” and “occupation” of America by Mexico (to use Loret’s provocative but correct terminology) is hardly “spontaneous.” It is supported and encouraged by the Mexican government and passively abetted by our own.

But I'm sure this story will have a happy ending. It always works out so well to shove 2 cultures with 2 languages and loyalties to 2 different governments into the same space. It worked so well in ancient Rome, last century in Europe, and these days in Kosovo.

Viva Jorge! Vive La Raza! Our diversity is our strength.

22 posted on 03/24/2004 3:49:32 PM PST by spodefly (A tagline is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: Marine Inspector
No, apprehensions are down because of 9/11.

Apprehensions are down because the INS work force was diverted by 911. Not because illegal immigration subsided. Illegal immigration is now above pre 911 levels. Bush's January 9 pronouncement opened the flood gates, albeit an uninformed basis from the standpoint of the immigrant.

Bush's announcement created such a rush that within 6 weeks Ridge had to shore up the border patrol to fight the flood.

Did Bush do anything worse than his father or Clinton prior to 911? No. But that's not an excuse for his behavior. Prior to 911 there were symptoms appearing all over the southwestern US that the flood of illegal aliens was sapping the state infrastructures and Bush did nothing.

Post 911 Bush's posture has simply been inexcusable. He has singlehandedly done more, either through implied invitation or inaction that any other US president to accelerate illegal immigration in just 3 short years.

Other than the politically motivated raid on WalMart, there have been no "residential roundups", the most effective tool in our immigration arsenal, since 1987. This is the first program I would have expected a conservative president to reinstate post 911 if for nothing more than its domestic public relations value.

23 posted on 03/24/2004 3:51:14 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
Touché.
24 posted on 03/24/2004 3:55:43 PM PST by spodefly (A tagline is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: PRND21
Let’s get a Border Patrolman’s opinion on political support:

From “Strange Times on the Border” by
John Slagle - USBP (Retired), 3-23-04

http://www.searclub.com/?page=news-article&id=417

(Edited because most of us already saw it.)

After September 11, 2001, the World Trade Center was destroyed with a massive loss of lives, and our nation’s borders were still wide open.

The President called for all citizens to be vigilant in a time of war for unusual suspicious activities and people. In Southern Arizona from Cochise County to the Tohoho O'odham Indian Reservation, multi-thousands of illegals crossed into the United States, narcotics shipments were intercepted and the U.S. Border Patrol was undermanned and over run. Prompted by the dangling carrot of political promises, border law enforcement tries to stem the tide, and politicians actively encourage illegal immigration. It's a no win situation with no end in sight.

The guest worker plan, which amounts to stealth Amnesty was proposed by Arizona Conservative leaders and announced by President Bush in December 2003. The Border Patrol and local law enforcement agencies were overwhelmed. Crimes against citizens increased.

Recently, the President in a concession to Mexico's political wishes has allowed all people with a valid Border Crossing Cards to enter the U.S. without being fingerprinted which leaves the door wide open for fraudulent entries, criminals to terrorists.

The Guest Worker program is not workable unless current laws on the books are strictly enforced with enough Border and interior Agents to do the job. The fiasco of 1986 was a miserable failure which cost taxpayers about 78 million dollars over the first ten years and failed to solve any illegal immigration problems. Chain migrations increased and illegals from around the world continued to enter unchallenged. Employer sanctions and fines was a good idea " if " Congress had allowed the I&NS to hire a small army of investigators with no other purpose than to insure Companies and Industries compiled with the law. The amount of fines for repeat offenders would have brought millions of dollars back into the treasury and curtailed the constant illegal invasion. Political promises of jobs for the world's population now only adds to an already uncontrollable situation as smugglers compete for human cargo.

Politicians over the past several decades have played a key role in the current Immigration mess. It just didn't happen over night. It's easier to create a new Agency or renew a failed past policy than solve the problem. There are currently 350,000 illegal aliens that have deportation orders that have absconded and are still in the United States while thousands continue to enter the U.S. daily in the South West.

Printed in its entirety and commented on here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103917/posts

25 posted on 03/24/2004 4:07:10 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: NewRomeTacitus
"Politicians over the past several decades have played a key role in the current Immigration mess. It just didn't happen over night."

They are all to blame!
26 posted on 03/24/2004 5:10:33 PM PST by international american (Support our troops!! Send Kerry back to Boston!!!!)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
In fact, why not stop ANY police officer in just about any jurisdiction and ask him/her what happens when they stop illegals and call the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

The INS will laugh at you. They will not come out. I was an LEO, I know. It is evidently not a law violation to be illegally in this country to the INS...or to a few so-called "conservatives" on this forum.

27 posted on 03/24/2004 6:01:24 PM PST by Indie (We don't need no steenkin' experts!)
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To: Amerigomag
All that vitriol for, "Source?"? Hmmm...

I'm guessing you backed McClintock and I made you mad.
I'm ok with that. He would have lost, as I'm afraid Jones will, too.
A "forum vetran" like you should know that.
Enjoy the next 4 years on FreeRepublic:)

28 posted on 03/24/2004 11:53:28 PM PST by PRND21
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
I'll give you a source. How about checking with the organization of Border Patrol Agents.

Organization?
I'd rather see that Union disbanded.

29 posted on 03/24/2004 11:57:42 PM PST by PRND21
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To: NewRomeTacitus
Edited because most of us already saw it

There lies your problem.

30 posted on 03/25/2004 12:01:32 AM PST by PRND21
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To: Tailgunner Joe
bump for later.
31 posted on 03/25/2004 12:04:07 AM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: PRND21; janetgreen; B4Ranch; archy; wardaddy; radu
You were right all along: America must accept the invasion and learn to accept the Aztlan concept. You must be happy to know you were on the winning side all along despite all of our clinging to outdated tradition. Where can I meet you to apologize for all my wrongful slurs on your reputation and obviously superior knowledge?
32 posted on 03/25/2004 2:14:43 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: PRND21
"Since border crossing apprehensions are down 40 percent under Bush I will take this mongering with a grain of salt."

Why do think that apprehensions are down 40%? Because less are crossing over?
33 posted on 03/25/2004 5:59:36 AM PST by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: NewRomeTacitus
You were right all along: America must accept the invasion and learn to accept the Aztlan concept.

Why are you just making things up? I've never said any such thing.

Pathetic.

34 posted on 03/25/2004 11:14:35 AM PST by PRND21
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To: looscnnn
Why do think that apprehensions are down 40%? Because less are crossing over?

Yes.

35 posted on 03/25/2004 11:15:15 AM PST by PRND21
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To: Amerigomag
My guess is that if Bush loses the coming election it will be principally do to his policy on immigration.

Agreed. America is sick of paying the bills for them.

36 posted on 03/25/2004 1:17:20 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: PRND21
Oooo, sorry. Wrong answer. Care to try again?
37 posted on 03/26/2004 6:18:56 AM PST by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: Amerigomag
Apprehensions are down because the INS work force was diverted by 911. Not because illegal immigration subsided.

I am the INS work force. How was I diverted?

Illegal immigration is now above pre 911 levels.

No, it's still below 9/11 levels. In FY 2000, apprehensions were at 1.6 million. In FY 2001, apprehensions were down to 1.2 million and then 9/11 happened.

In FY 2002, apprehensions were down to 929,809 and in FY 2003 they drop another 3% to 905,065.

Sorry, but, fewwer folks were crossing in FY 2002 and 2003.

Bush's January 9 pronouncement opened the flood gates That has yet to be determined. January’s apprehensions were well below normal for this time of year, although, I agree that it will increase the numbers and this year, 2004, will be the first year we will see an increase since FY 2000.

Bush's announcement created such a rush that within 6 weeks Ridge had to shore up the border patrol to fight the flood.

Sorry, that program, “the Arizona Border Control Initiative” has been in the making for almost a year. Long before Bush’s proposal.

Did Bush do anything worse than his father or Clinton prior to 911? No. But that's not an excuse for his behavior. Prior to 911 there were symptoms appearing all over the southwestern US that the flood of illegal aliens was sapping the state infrastructures and Bush did nothing.

This is the culmination of almost 4 decades of bad immigration policy. The fault belongs to Ted Kennedy (for his 1965 immigration act) and every President that was in office after JFK.

Post 911 Bush's posture has simply been inexcusable. He has singlehandedly done more, either through implied invitation or inaction that any other US president to accelerate illegal immigration in just 3 short years.

Yes, Bush has failed on the immigration issue, but illegal immigration has not accelerated in the past 3 years. Sorry, but that is the truth. It was in decline from its peak in FY 2000. 9/11 actually helped that decline, but it will be short lived. Will apprehensions ever reach the 1.6 million mark set in FY 2000, I doubt it, but I will bet that they pass the 1 million mark in 2004.

Other than the politically motivated raid on WalMart, there have been no "residential roundups", the most effective tool in our immigration arsenal, since 1987. This is the first program I would have expected a conservative president to reinstate post 911 if for nothing more than its domestic public relations value.

WalMart was a “Worksite Enforcement” action, not a “Residential Roundup”. I can guaranty you will never see a residential roundup by ICE or CBP. Americans and probably you, would be highly upset if we started going door to door in your neiborhood.

And yes, “Worksite Enforcement” is severely lacking and it has been since Reagan, they have done more then just WalMart. They average about 75 each year. Just because it is not in the news, does not mean it is not happening.

38 posted on 03/26/2004 7:06:24 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Either we will defeat terrorism, or terrorism will defeat us.)
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To: Marine Inspector
WalMart was a “Worksite Enforcement” action, not a “Residential Roundup”. I can guaranty you will never see a residential roundup by ICE or CBP. Americans and probably you, would be highly upset if we started going door to door in your neiborhood.

If I saw ICE hauling illegals out of houses on MY street, never to return, I think I might be able to get over it.

39 posted on 03/26/2004 8:39:24 AM PST by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: TLI
If I saw ICE hauling illegals out of houses on MY street, never to return, I think I might be able to get over it.

Could you get over it, if the knocked on your door and demanded to know the citizenship of everyone in your house and demanded proof?

40 posted on 03/26/2004 9:10:40 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Either we will defeat terrorism, or terrorism will defeat us.)
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