Europe, R.I.P.

Intellectual Conservative ^ | 26 March 2004 | Nicholas Stix

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

The problem with most of Western Europe, is that it wants to be safe, but still won't guard itself, yet no longer wants America on "that wall." That means that Western Europe will be defeated by Islamism.

Another interesting read, wetter tell your neighbors!

[Sprite518]

He nails it on the head with this statement.

"From 1945-1990, Western Europe lived under the shadow of the Soviet "Empire of Evil" (Ronald Reagan), and yet it was safe from being overrun, because we protected it. And so, while America spent billions on Europe's defense, Europe could spend billions on decadent welfare programs which further sapped its moral strength. The result was the same as it always is, with those who get used to getting a free ride. Rather than gratitude, Europeans felt resentful and superior towards us."

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

oops, wetter=better.

[Free ThinkerNY]

[ex-snook]

"The world changed on Sunday," March 14, "

Nah. The world changed some time ago when the Western Civilization birth rate dropped below replacement. Europe is just the canary. Demographics rule.

[mrustow]

It is amazing to think of the heros that Europe once produced and what Europe has turned into in today...

The past forty yers, in America and Erupe, are a cautionary tale, as to how centuries of work building institutions, can be swept away in practically the blink of an eye.

[Hugin]

If the U.S. does not defeat radical Islam, and Europe continously tries to sit out the WOT, I predict an overland conventional invasion of Europe by Muslims in about 2050.

There is more than one way to invade a country. It's already well under way.

[mrustow]

Your thoughts are intriguing, but I see the illegitimacy explosion as having been caused by the welfare revolution. Communists from the National Welfare Rights Organization in local governments such as New York (John Lindsay's welfare commissioner was the NWRO's Mitchell "Come and Get It" Ginsberg) told unwed, black working mothers that they no longer needed to work, and should instead apply for then high welfare rates. Prior to that, simply being a single mother did not automatically entitle one to welfare.

[Mister Baredog]

The very idea of that can only help our real enemies, the followers of bin Laden, to recruit on the premise that we are the aggressors against Islam, not the other way around.

Oh, we should run away and leave chaos behind, that will solve the problem, I don't think so. You know we aren't fighting a war on Islam. If Al Jazeera and their favorite muslim Bin Laden continue to poison the well it really doesn't matter. What does matter is if the Iraqis develope a modern society they will be the "poster children" that FREEDOM can bring. If Iraq is left to slip into anarchy it will become the new haven for the terrorists. Beyond that it will be a major defeat for the coalition. I'm sure Osama would love that one.

[judgeandjury]

Hatred of jews and non-whites is VERY prevalent

Curiously, in non-white majority countries, hatred of whites is VERY prevalent.

[servantoftheservant]

bump

[mrustow]

Fascinating analysis; only time will tell, if you are correct.

[mrustow]

Nothing rends a people's moral fabric faster.

[mrustow]

I love the Trojan horse, but I don't understand the map.

[hedgetrimmer]

Very appropriate quotes. Thank you for posting.

[Ohioan]

The Welfare effect was certainly a major contributor to the rise in the illegitimacy rate, after 1938, when the ADC program was innaugurated, and the Government tried to take all stigma out of the situation. (See How The Welfare State Works!.) But if you track the upward spiral, you will see that it did not really kick into high gear until the period when the other factor kicked in as well.

I personally did a statistical study on this in the mid-1960s, when the explosion was really getting started, and the correlation is very striking.

William Flax

[Ohioan]

Oh, we should run away and leave chaos behind, that will solve the problem, I don't think so. You know we aren't fighting a war on Islam. If Al Jazeera and their favorite muslim Bin Laden continue to poison the well it really doesn't matter. What does matter is if the Iraqis develope a modern society they will be the "poster children" that FREEDOM can bring. If Iraq is left to slip into anarchy it will become the new haven for the terrorists. Beyond that it will be a major defeat for the coalition. I'm sure Osama would love that one.

1. We have no Constitutional function to try to remake other societies.

2. The Government does not determine the character of a people, nor their culture.

3. Freedom dependent upon a foreign occupation is a mockery. Imagine what would have been the reaction, if after the French Navy played a key role at Yorktown, they had sent in a French Army to protect the fledgling States.

4. While we can create an illusion of prosperity by spending American tax dollars and credit in Iraq, that is hardly the way for a people to really progress. But there is a fatal flaw in the notion that Iraq is suddenly going to be a model. With a sea of oil, she can certainly prosper, as do the Saudis and Kuwaitis; and she does not need our physical presence to do that.

5. But with all her oil, and all of our extravagance, no amount of manipulation is going to turn her into the equivalent of a European nation. Those who remember from history, the glorious ancient and medieval societies in Mesopotamia, need to remember what Tamerlane and other Mongols did to the leadership groups in the area, 600 years ago. The genetic damage has not been undone.

Why do you think that Saddaam had to hire so many foreign technicians for his weapons programs? Why with all his wealth, was he unable to achieve the sort of technological break-throughs that a desperately poor North Korea--with a vastly higher average I.Q. achieved. I am not trying to be unkind, just facing the realities of the situation.

The danger of a continued American presence will always be in that we, as the outsiders, will achieve the blame for everything that goes wrong; as well as the hatred of those who will see our meddling as an attack on their way of life and value system. I suspect that Bin Laden actually loves the fact that we seem to be staying.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[Yardstick]

Funny cartoon!