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Hoover gibes strike home
The Washington Times ^ | 03/29/2004 | AP

Posted on 03/29/2004 7:07:30 AM PST by ijcr

WEST BRANCH (AP) — Democrats say it repeatedly: George W. Bush is the first president since Herbert Hoover to lose jobs on his watch. When they hear that or related claims about the Depression-era president, the folks in West Branch wince. "They've dug up poor Mr. Hoover again and tried to turn him into the boogeyman of the campaign," said Tim Walch, director of the Herbert Hoover Presidential Library and Museum.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democrats; herberthoover; hoover; socialism
To understand why the left hates Hoover:-

Herbert Hoover,New York, NY, October 22, 1928.

"...During one hundred and fifty years we have built up a form of self-government and a social system which is peculiarly our own. It differs essentially from all others in the world. It is the American system. It is just as definite and positive a political and social system as has ever been developed on earth.

It is founded upon a particular conception of self-government in which decentralized local responsibility is the very base... It is founded upon the conception that only through ordered liberty, freedom, and equal opportunity to the individual will his initiative and enterprise spur on the march of progress. And in our insistence upon equality of opportunity has our system advanced beyond all the world.

During the War we necessarily turned to the government to solve every difficult economic problem. The government having absorbed every energy of our people for war, there was no other solution. For the preservation of the state the Federal Government became a centralized despotism which undertook unprecedented responsibilities, assumed autocratic powers, and took over the business of citizens.

To a large degree we regimented our whole people temporarily into a socialistic state. However justified in time of war, if continued in peace-time it would destroy not only our American system, but with it our progress and freedom...

When the War closed, the most vital of all issues both in our own country and throughout the world was whether governments should continue their wartime ownership and operation of many instrumentalities of production and distribution. We were challenged with a peace-time choice between the American system of rugged individualism and a European philosophy of diametrically opposed doctrines--doctrines of paternalism and state socialism. The acceptance of these ideas would have meant the destruction of self-government through centralization of government. It would have meant the undermining of the individual initiative and enterprise through which our people have grown to unparalleled greatness.

The Republican Party from the beginning resolutely turned its face away from these ideas and these war practices. A Republican Congress co-operated with the Democratic administration to demobilize many of our war activities. At that time the two parties were in accord upon that point. When the Republican Party came into full power, it went at once resolutely back to our fundamental conception of the state and the rights and responsibilities of the individual. Thereby it restored confidence and hope in the American people, it freed and stimulated enterprise, it restored the government to its position as an umpire instead of a player in the economic game.

For these reasons, the American people have gone forward in progress while the rest of the world has halted, and some countries have even gone backwards. If anyone will study the causes of retarded recuperation in Europe, he will find much of it due to stifling of private initiative on one hand, and overloading of the government with business on the other.

There has been revived in this campaign, however, a series of proposals which, if adopted, would be a long step toward the abandonment of our American system and a surrender to the destructive operation of governmental conduct of commercial business. Because the country is faced with difficulty and doubt over certain national problems--that is, prohibition, farm relief, and electrical power--our opponents propose that we must thrust government a long way into the businesses which give rise to these problems. In effect, they abandon the tenets of their own party and turn to state socialism as a solution for the difficulties presented by all three. It is proposed that we shall change from prohibition to the state purchase and sale of liquor. If their agricultural relief program means anything, it means that the government shall directly or indirectly buy and sell and fix prices of agricultural products. And we are to go into the hydro-electric power business. In other words, we are confronted with a huge program of government in business...

The effect would reach to the daily life of every man and woman. It would impair the very basis of liberty and freedom not only for those left outside the fold of expanded bureaucracy but for those embraced within it.

Let us first see the effect upon self-government. When the Federal Government undertakes to go into commercial business, it must at once set up the organization and administration of that business, and it immediately finds itself in a labyrinth, every alley of which leads to the destruction of self-government...

The first problem of the government about to adventure in commercial business is to determine a method of administration. It must secure leadership and direction. Shall this leadership be chosen by political agencies, or shall we make it elective? The hard practical fact is that leadership in business must come through the sheer rise in ability and character. That rise can only take place in a free atmosphere of competition. Competition is closed in a bureaucracy. Political agencies are feeble channels through which to select able leaders to conduct commercial business.

Government, in order to avoid the possible incompetence, corruption, and tyranny of too great authority in individuals entrusted with commercial business, inevitably turns to boards and commissions. To make sure that there are checks and balances, each member of such boards and commissions must have equal authority. Each has his separate responsibility to the public, and at once we have the conflict of ideas and the lack of decision which would ruin any commercial business. It has contributed greatly to the demoralization of our shipping business. Moreover, these commissions must be representative of different sections and different political parties, so that at once we have an entire blight upon coordinated action within their ranks which destroys any possibility of effective administration...

Thus every time the Federal Government goes into a commercial business, five hundred and thirty-one Senators and Congressmen become the actual board of directors of that business. Every time a state government goes into business, one or two hundred state senators and legislators become the actual directors of that business. Even if they were supermen and if there were no politics in the United States, no body of such numbers could competently direct commercial activities; for that requires initiative, instant decision, and action. It took Congress six years of constant discussion to even decide what the method of administration Muscle Shoals should be...

During the war the government found it necessary to operate the railways. That operation continued until after the war. In the year before being freed from government operation they were not able to meet the demands for transportation. Eight years, later we find them under private enterprise transporting fifteen per cent more goods and meeting every demand for service. Rates have been reduced by fifteen percent and net earnings increased from less than one percent on their valuation to about five percent. Wages of employees have improved by thirteen percent. The wages of railway employees are today one hundred and twenty-one percent above pre-war, while the wages of government employees are today only sixty-five percent above pre-war. That should be a sufficient commentary upon the efficiency of government operation...

The government in commercial business does not tolerate amongst its customers the freedom of competitive reprisals to which private business is subject. Bureaucracy does not tolerate the spirit of independence; it spreads the spirit of submission into our daily life and penetrates the temper of our people not with the habit of powerful resistance to wrong but with the habit of timid acceptance of irresistible might.

Bureaucracy is ever desirous of spreading its influence and its power. You cannot extend the mastery of the government over the daily working life of a people without at the same time making it the master of the people's souls and thoughts. Every expansion of government in business means that government, in order to protect itself from the political consequences of its errors and wrongs, is driven irresistibly without peace to greater and greater control of the nation's press and platform. Free speech does not live many hours after free industry and free commerce die.

It is a false liberalism that interprets itself into the government operation of commercial business. Every step of bureaucratizing of the business of our country poisons the very roots of liberalism--that is, political equality, free speech, free assembly, free press, and equality of opportunity...

True liberalism is a force truly of the spirit, a force proceeding from the deep realization that economic freedom cannot be sacrificed if political freedom is to be preserved. Even if governmental conduct of business could give us more efficiency instead of less efficiency, the fundamental objection to it would remain unaltered and unabated. It would destroy political equality. It would increase rather than decrease abuse and corruption. It would stifle initiative and invention. It would undermine the development of leadership. It would cramp and cripple the mental and spiritual energies of our people. It would extinguish equality and opportunity. It would dry up the spirit of liberty and progress. For these reasons primarily it must be resisted...

I feel deeply on this subject because during the War I had some practical experience with governmental operation and control. I have witnessed, not only at home but abroad, the many failures of government in business. I have seen its tyrannies, its injustices, its destructions of self-government, its undermining of the very instincts which carry our people forward to progress. I have witnessed the lack of advance, the lowered standards of living, the depressed spirits of people working under such a system. My objection is based not upon theory or upon a failure to recognize wrong or abuse, but I know the adoption of such methods would strike at the very roots of American life and would destroy the very basis of American progress...

In the last fifty years we have discovered that mass production will produce articles for us at half the cost they required previously. We have seen the resultant growth of large units of production and distribution. This is big business. Many businesses must be bigger, for our tools are bigger, our country is bigger...

The American people, from bitter experience, have a rightful fear that great business units might be used to dominate our industrial life and by illegal and unethical practices destroy equality of opportunity.

Years ago the Republican administration established the principle that such evils could be corrected by regulation. It developed methods by which abuses could be prevented while the full value of industrial progress could be retained for the public. It insisted upon the principle that when great public utilities were clothed with the security of partial monopoly, whether it be railways, power plants, telephones, or what not, then there must be the fullest and most complete control of rates, services, and finances by government or local agencies. It declared that these businesses must be conducted with glass pockets.

As to our great manufacturing and distributing industries, the Republican party insisted upon the enactment of laws that not only would maintain competition but would destroy conspiracies to destroy the smaller units, or dominate and limit the equality of opportunity amongst our people...

And what have been the results of our American system? Our country has become the land of opportunity to those born without inheritance, not merely because of the wealth of its resources and industry, but because of this freedom of initiative and enterprise.

Russia has natural resources equal to ours. Her people are equally industrious, but she has not had the blessings of one hundred and fifty years of our form of government and of our social system.

By adherence to the principles of decentralized self-government, ordered liberty, equal opportunity, and freedom to the individual, our American experiment in human welfare has yielded a degree of well-being unparalleled in all the world. It has come nearer to the abolition of poverty, to the abolition of fear of want, than humanity has ever reached before. Progress of the past seven years is the proof of it. This alone furnishes the answer to our opponents, who ask us to introduce destructive elements into the system by which this has been accomplished."

As true today as it was then.

1 posted on 03/29/2004 7:07:30 AM PST by ijcr
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To: ijcr
Hoover was a leftist just like FDR. He just didn't get a 2nd term to advance all of the statist projects that he begain in his first term, and even before he became president.
2 posted on 03/29/2004 7:15:54 AM PST by Jason Kauppinen
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To: ijcr
Bump. Ronaldus Maximus could have delivered this speech word for word.
3 posted on 03/29/2004 7:16:04 AM PST by Huck (In the Soviet Union, the Admin Moderators ruled.)
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To: Jason Kauppinen
Hoover was a well-meaning man who was the greatest humanitarian to ever hold that office.

Yes, he was something of an activist. Coolidge didn't call him wunderboy for nothing.

However, I think it says something about the Democratic Party that it must throw aspursions at a man whose public service reached back to the times of Woodrow Wilson, for God's sake.
4 posted on 03/29/2004 7:22:26 AM PST by republicanwizard
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To: ijcr
Democrat voters = electorate that can't do statistics.
5 posted on 03/29/2004 7:46:11 AM PST by Paradox (Click clack, click clack click click clack clack clack.)
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To: ijcr
Under the Constitution, the President has nothing to do with jobs. Only the Congress may have some effect in that area.
6 posted on 03/29/2004 8:37:55 AM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: ijcr
http://www.detnews.com/2004/editorial/0402/22/a19-70541.htm

How Bush compares with Hoover on jobs

The Detroit News ^ | Sunday, February 22, 2004 | Thomas Bray

Posted on 02/22/2004 7:42:53 AM PST by quantim

Barely a day goes by without someone in the Democratic Party or the media comparing the Bush record on jobs with that of Herbert Hoover.

“This all started when George Bush became president,” said Democratic National Chairman Terry McAuliffe in Oregon last week. “George Bush has been a disaster. George Bush will be the first president since Herbert Hoover who lost jobs during his presidency.” A story later in the week by White House AP correspondent Terence Hunt repeated the Hoover comparison.

Put aside that this didn’t all start when Bush became president. Most economists agree that the economy already was slowing by the time he became president. The ensuing, rather mild, recession was prolonged by the shock of September 11.

The real point is that the effort to link Bush with Hoover is a classic case of what a psychiatrist might call transference. During his four years in office, Hoover followed the very policies being advocated most ardently these days by the Democrats — tax increases, trade barriers and higher spending on social programs. If anybody is following in the tradition of Hoover, it’s Kerry and Edwards, who are advocating the same castor oil for the economy.

Also note that the critics carefully limit their Hoover comparison to the number of jobs lost. True, under Bush, jobs have declined 2.2 million, about the same as under the four years of the Hoover administration from 1929 to 1933. But in 1929, when the population was 121 million, a job loss of two million was a national catastrophe. It sent unemployment rocketing from 3.2 percent in 1929 to 23.6 percent in 1932. In 2004, when the population is more than 280 million, a loss of two million jobs means a national unemployment rate of 5.6 percent, sorrowful for the individuals involved but hardly a national calamity.

With the economy finally on the mend, the net job loss by the end of Bush’s four years in office next January is likely to be far less — and might even wind up a net gain. The president’s economic advisers were extremely unwise to predict as much in a recent White House report — all forecasts, particularly about the future, being politically dangerous — but it may be true. Household surveys that include the self-employed are showing far stronger job gains than the more-often-quoted survey of major businesses.

But what if Democrats are right? Their proposed policies aren’t likely to make the situation much better — and could easily make it worse. It’s an axiom among Democrats that Franklin D. Roosevelt led the nation out of the Great Depression. But a closer look at his peacetime performance suggests something quite different.

FDR scrapped his own balanced budget pledge as soon as he took office in 1932 and opened the spending spigots. By 1936, the deficit had risen to 5.5 percent of national output — even higher than the Bush deficit is expected to be. And while the number of jobs did expand, it was still 3.2 million jobs short of the 1929 high water mark. By 1936, unemployment still stood at 16.9 percent, nearly triple today’s national unemployment rate.

Even after another four years of New Deal economics, including a hefty tax hike that did little to narrow the deficit, unemployment was still 14.6 percent. But we don’t hear Democrats talking about an FDR disaster.

Would higher taxes at least reduce inequality and “unfairness,” as Kerry and Edwards are claiming? The data on this issue only go back to 1947, but it’s worth remembering that in the 1990s, after Bill Clinton’s 1993 increase in the top income tax rate, inequality actually increased. The top five percent of income earners went from having 17.4 percent of all income in 1990, at the end of the Reagan decade, to 21.1 percent in 2000. The bottom 20 percent lost ground.

Bush may not have a great economic record, at least so far. But comparing Bush with Hoover is a bit like comparing a pothole in the road to Death Valley. And it suggests that Democrats don’t have a firm grip on what makes an economy tick.

Unemployment in Tenn is 4.9%..NH is 4.1% not bad for a HOOVER economy. What is the unemployment rate in the other 48 states? BTW neither TN or NH have a state income tax!

7 posted on 03/29/2004 10:23:12 AM PST by GailA (Kerry I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, but I'll declare a moratorium on the death penalty)
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To: ijcr
The Democrats conveniently blame Hoover for a global Depression ultimately triggered by the economic aftermath of World War I. If the US had not been forced to prop up the European economy throughout the 1920s, Republican economic policies would have worked fine--I notice Kerry doesn't mention how prosperous the US was under the Republican economic policies of the 1920s. Nor does he mention the failures of the New Deal's economic policies:

Thomas Sowell, "Great myths about the Great Depression"

They say "truth will out" but sometimes it takes a long time. For more than half a century, it has been a "well-known fact" that President Franklin D. Roosevelt got us out of the Great Depression of the 1930s. That view was never pervasive among economists, and even J.M. Keynes — a liberal icon — criticized some of FDR's policies as hindering recovery from the depression.

Only now has a book been written in language that non-economists can understand which argues persuasively that the policies of the Roosevelt administration actually prolonged the depression and made it worse. That book is "FDR's Folly" by Jim Powell. It is very readable, factual and insightful — and is endorsed by two Nobel Prizewinning economists.

8 posted on 03/29/2004 12:09:07 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora
This Roosevelt myth was obvious to me even as a youngster.
When I "outed" the myth to my dyed-in-the-wool Democrat uncle, he had a cow. Afterward, my dad conceded I was absolutely right. Only the Dem's believed this fairy tale . . . just like "Camelot". (Gag me!)
9 posted on 03/29/2004 12:30:44 PM PST by Nevermore
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