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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Was sleeping their while the sun was down but now I'm up!
Globalism and exporting capitalism I believe are a win/win for all hopefully and prayerfully! I don't believe it is all about money - there are more than a few ways to bring freedom to countries who are communist and oppressed - and is very good way is by trading with them! Trickle down (freedom) works in commie china when we trade with them. ALL those people do not want to live in a commie country - they don't, their leaders want it communist but the oppressed don't have a say SO--- we export our material blessings at a price, and they export back to us, we're trading, their lives begin to change, they have industry, jobs, businesses etc and they gain power over the communist leaders, so much power that soon hopefully they will have enough power to change their government, it is happening - it is working - and we will help create a free China that will be able to put the communist and oppressors out of business because they are a majority. It is not always about the USA and it is NOT always about money. But in this case it is a win win for all. And in regards to the fact that it is unprecedented to do business with other countries like this, well of course it is - because of technology, look at the way the world has change in just 100 years!! We COULDN't do it back then if we wanted. Think horses, buggies etc as oppose to jets, huge cargo boats and info tech. This is a good thing - it really is. Think of the freedom we are bringing to other nations - not our losses, think of them. If we seek freedom for a neighbor across the street why not the one across the ocean. And the "game" will be played regardless - whether we are a main player or not a player at all.
16 posted on 03/30/2004 4:57:58 AM PST by Esther Ruth (George W. Bush - My Kids Newest Bestest Super Hero of ALL TIME)
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To: Esther Ruth
Again, I do not want to start a debate but I am compelled to respond to the rosy picture of Chinese on the way to freedom at last to pursue capitalist dreams. Truth is the Chi-coms permit "capitalism" in some areas of China. IMO it takes a social contract entered into by free people for capitalism to work. The answer I'm getting to the question "Who owns what in China" is, the Party owns everything.

To wit, Beijing Enterprises Holdings Ltd, an investment arm of the Beijing Municipal Government owns many companies including Beijing San Yuan Foods Co. Ltd., China's leading dairy product maker. They recently bought out China Kraft and plan global sales using Kraft product names if I recall a news item correctly. Who is going to stop them from infringing? Though San Yuan plans to "go public" with shares nevertheless, http://www.china.org.cn/english/DO-e/6794.htm reports that

"Following the move, San Yuan's current investors, Beijing Enterprises Holding Ltd. and Beijing General Co. Agriculture Industry & Commerce will become its major shareholders."

The Chi-coms know how to do Lenin's New Economic Plan (NEP) right. The Soviets in the 1920s made the mistake of actually giving the people (nepmen) the freedom to pursue capitalist dreams and then had to kill them when they became too successful and threatened the State.

17 posted on 03/30/2004 6:34:31 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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