Four 'foreign nationals' gunned down in Iraq (Not Pretty)

Irish Examiner (Via Matt Drudge) ^

[Happy2BMe]

Four 'foreign nationals' gunned down in Iraq
31/03/2004 - 10:18:38 AM

At least four people, thought to be foreign nationals, were killed when their vehicles came under fire in the Iraqi town of Fallujah today.

Eye witnesses said angry crowds dragged the bodies through the streets, dismembered them and hanged some of the mutilated corpses.

The attack happened at about the same time as a bomb exploded under a US military in the Fallujah region, killing five soldiers.

It was not known whether the two incidents were related.

The gunmen attacked the civilians as they drove by in two civilian 4x4 cars in Fallujah.

The occupants of the cars were killed and their vehicles were set on fire.

Footage from Associated Press Television News showed a charred body of one of the dead men, and the vehicles in flames nearby. Some of the men were wearing flak jackets, said Safa Mohammedi, a resident.

Another resident, Abdul Aziz Mohammed, said angry crowds dragged the bodies through the streets, dismembered them and hanged some of the mutilated corpses.

“The people of Fallujah hanged some of the bodies on the old bridge like slaughtered sheep,” Mohammed said. “I saw it myself.”

One resident displayed what appeared to be dog-type tags taken from one body. Residents also said there were weapons in the targeted cars.

The explosive device that killed the American soldiers blew up when their vehicle ran over it in the Fallujah area, US Army Colonel Jill Morgenthaler said in Baghdad.

[GRANGER]

The solution is to pay Shia militia to establish "order" in the Sunni triangle.

[Jack Black]

The war was too surgical.

More punishment, killing, death and destruction was needed. When you look at WW2 it was only after we utterly destroyed many cities in Germany and nuked too in Japan that the fight went out of these countries and they really, truely gave up on war. You have to make everyone in the country really, really, sick of war. This happens when lots of people you know are dead, houses are destroyed, relatives are gone. Iraqis, even the bad ones, did not have this experience.

We used our advanced technology to have a very "low impact" war when we needed a high impact one. Hopefully the War College planners are studying this and understanding it.

[MeekOneGOP]

Holy Jihad, Batman ! ...

[MediaMole]

"This is the fate of all Americans who come to Falluja," said Mohammad Nafik, one of the crowd surrounding the bodies.

This man should be dead by sundown.

[ASA Vet]

What a great place to test a tactical nuke.

So you're another advocate of under reaction I see.

[Atlantic Friend]

But the body count in Germany and Japan went over 4,000,000 dead (civilians and military alike) if I recall correctly. And the Allied did not wage a war to liberate Japanese and Germans from the rule of tyrants, but to defeat standing armies of several million men who were ready to fight and to die for their Führer or Emperor, who did not cave in before the butcher's bill went that up.

Are you saying Iraq "needs" two million dead people to be truly liberated ?

[Rummyfan]

Shows also that they are getting more desperate..... they have to get more depraved.

[Landru]

"IMHO, in Fallujah and elsewhere in the Sunni triangle where similar sentiments remain (BTW, this is the vast minority of Iraqis IMHO), it is time for martial law, severe crackdown and rounding up of any suspected belligerents, internment, interogation, execution of any who commit these type of atrocities and a complete pacification of those areas...it is past due."

Not just your opin Jeff, you've expressed my sentiments as well. (~just did it much better, is all. ;^) )

I'm kind of surprised to hear you say the country isn't under martial law & locked-down to start with.
That area's not "secured" & incidents like this prove the point (~much to our Liberal-Socialist's delight & that's especially galling.).

That aside, there're photographs of at least a dozen of the perps involved in the latest atrocity.
Those animals can be rounded up today, tried, & hung by nightfall, if we've the resolve.

If [we] were ever trying to play "Mr. Niceguy" with the animals, I think there'd be a general agreement that time is over.
Time's come to get tough with the barbarians who don't get it, because it's obvious (by now) a bullet between the eyes is all they're going to understand.

With every passing day they're growing more & more bold & *that* bullshit must be nipped in the bud.

...right now.

[Sender]

I really have to stop myself from asking why this town is still in existence.

Me too. Whenever something really bad happens, it's either in Fallujah or around it in the "Sunni triangle". It's like the bad side of town for all of Iraq. And most of the media is all too happy to report and photograph on the 'troubles' in Fallujah while remaining silent about all the successes and smiling faces in the rest of Iraq.

An interesting trivia bit: the Sunnis can be traced back to the followers of Aisha bint abi Bakr, Mohammed's fiery child bride, who probably did more to stir up trouble and death among Muslims than any crusading enemy of Islam ever did.

[ASA Vet]

Snoaps has this rumor as status: undetermined

Snopes.com/rumors/pershing

[Jack Black]

Well let me put it this way, if 2 million were killed in the invasion I don't think this would be going on.

[bwteim]

Good point - but that was a decade ago.

[Atlantic Friend]

You know, while there's absolutely no doubt as to Fallujah's hostility to Coalition forces, the thing is that guerrilla/terrorist groups love to commit crimes (say, a killing followed by a mutilation) in or near urban zones.

They know (as the FLN knew in Algeria or the Vietcong knew in Vietnam) that angered soldiers will eventually lash out at the whole population, thus scoring points in the neutral civilians for the terrorists' nasty propaganda tactics.

Look at what Pershing did in the Philippines, as was posted earlier in this thread. He did not call for an immediate bombings of nearby villages. He did not order his troops to kill indiscriminately. He acted selectively, and unleashed his furor at the bad guys, to whom he did not give any quarters (and that's real fine by me).

Saddam Hussein's regime was much more fragile than Tojo's or Hitler's. Thankfully, the Coalition did not have to fight millions and to sacrifice hundreds of thousands. What we have now is asymmetrical war : the Iraqi/Islamists insurgents know they can't defeat the Coalition forces, but they also know they can bleed them day after day until the Western leaders either pull out or lash out. And either way, it'll further their goals. Level Fallujah and you'll soon hear about another town to which "Fallujah" will have become a battle cry, in a twisted "Remember the Alamo" way.

Plus, it's been said that many insurgents do not come from Iraq. What is, to them, the leveling of Fallujah, except good propaganda ? What is, to them, the shooting of a thousand Iraqis because they have danced around a dead American body ?

I think we should try the Pershing way.

[MJM59]

I think that it remains to be seen if we truly have a "president with a backbone." I know it is early, but I want to see if anyone in the administration even acknowledges this event publicly. If they do acknowledge it, it will warrant a reaction. And, I do not think that they have the testicular fortitude to show the country and the world that they are capable of being enraged by this behavior. Much less going into that area and playing hardball, actually waging war on these types of threats.

If the administration reacts to this latest ourage in any way, it would be an admission that things are not quite going as planned.

As far as I am concerned, I am truly learning how to hate these people (Iraqis in general) and I despise the rules that we are fighting this war by. It is like being a parent. You cannot be their friend all the time, they have to respect our authority at this point in time. Which means thay may have to be taught respect the hard way.

[Atlantic Friend]

Yes. And, coincidence or no coincidence, it's been a decade France wasn't attacked by international terrorists. We can see it both ways : you could say it's because we bought them off, I could say it's because we know how to catch them beforehand (as we did last year with the Islamists preparing an attack against the Russian embassy) or how to pursue them afterward.

By the way, I've read some dimwitted Democrats saying it's "downright suspicious" that US forces haven't captured Osama Ben Laden yet, casting suspicion upon the current administration and being insulting to US and Allied troops deployed in the 'Stans. Should you meet one, please remind them the capture or Carlos the Jackal took 12 years. The thing is, these guys are always caught, eventually, when one shows enough resolve.

[boxerblues]

ask why are we still helping these demons! I wish we would leave who gives a rat’s ass about a democracy for these animals


Thats exactly the reaction that want to see. Americans are angry, but leaving willnot serve us or them, we will see this though.

[Eagle Eye]

This is the fate of all Americans who come to Falluja," said Mohammad Nafik, one of the crowd surrounding the bodies.

Well, sport, I've been there a few times and will be back soon. Come and find me. We'll do lunch.

[olde north church]

it's a start