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[Bombshell: KERRY not validly married?] MEDIA INTEREST IN KERRY’S CATHOLICISM GROWS
Catholic League ^ | April 2, 2004 | William Donohue

Posted on 04/02/2004 11:15:30 PM PST by Notwithstanding

Catholic League president William Donohue commented as follows:

“The Catholic League does not possess a theological micrometer that judges, with digital precision, how ‘good’ a Catholic is. Furthermore, it is not our business anyway. But it is also true that we will not pretend disinterest in subjects that touch on the issue of Catholics in public life.

“This week’s issue of Time magazine says Senator John Kerry ‘sought an annulment of his 18-year first marriage before marrying again.’ News reports indicate, however, that Kerry didn’t seek an annulment until after he married Teresa Heinz in a civil ceremony in 1995. Today’s New York Times says Kerry ‘sought an annulment from the church when he was divorced from his first wife.’ Notice that neither Time nor the New York Times says that an annulment was granted. They say it was ‘sought.’

“Kerry cannot claim that this is a private matter since he publicly joked about his quest for an annulment on the Don Imus show of May 8, 1997. ‘Seventy-five percent of all annulments in the world take place in the United States,’ Kerry said, ‘and I guess the figure drops to 50 percent if you take out all Massachusetts politicians.’ He continued saying, ‘It’s one of those special Catholic things. It’s like confession or feeling guilty about things you haven’t even thought of doing.’

“On February 16, 2004, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that ‘Kerry’s office didn’t respond to several e-mail and telephone requests’ regarding the question of whether an annulment was granted. On March 23, 2003, the Providence Journal-Bulletin said that Kerry ‘will not say whether he obtained an annulment of his first marriage….’ Why the reticence, especially since Kerry says his ‘current marriage is in good graces with the church?’

“Why does this matter? If Kerry did not receive an annulment, then he is not married in the Catholic Church and cannot receive the sacraments. But even if he was annulled, did he and Teresa Heinz get married in the Catholic Church following the annulment? If not, then Kerry is not married in the Church, thus raising all sorts of questions.”


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1 posted on 04/02/2004 11:15:30 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: NYer; Hermann the Cherusker
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2 posted on 04/02/2004 11:17:26 PM PST by Notwithstanding (Good parents don't let their kids attend public school or recieve catechsim lessons from sinky)
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3 posted on 04/02/2004 11:18:55 PM PST by Support Free Republic (I'd rather be sleeping. Let's get this over with so I can go back to sleep!)
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To: missyme; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp IV; narses
Catholic-Kerry ping
4 posted on 04/02/2004 11:19:03 PM PST by Notwithstanding (Good parents don't let their kids attend public school or recieve catechsim lessons from sinky)
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To: Notwithstanding
interesting
5 posted on 04/02/2004 11:20:03 PM PST by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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To: NYer
Faux Catholique
6 posted on 04/02/2004 11:21:02 PM PST by Notwithstanding (Good parents don't let their kids attend public school or recieve catechsim lessons from sinky)
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To: Notwithstanding
I remember talking to one of the priests who was sought out by Rep. Joe Kennedy's former wife after she was devastated by the "annulment" that good ole Joe sought.

He told me the whole practice was as dirty and corrupt as the selling of indulgences.

7 posted on 04/02/2004 11:22:39 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Notwithstanding
Hmmmm? No annulment granted. He's legally divorced. Civil ceremony for remarriage. I don't see a problem .. except witih the precepts of his church. As to the law .. I'd say he's legally married. The church may not recognize it, but that's a personal matter.

And .. quite frankly, I don't give a rip!
8 posted on 04/02/2004 11:22:48 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: Notwithstanding
He can claim to be a devout fag-taster, and all is forgiven. Plus he can then blackmail the church. (J.-Fing-K....No-fing-way!)
9 posted on 04/02/2004 11:25:12 PM PST by Waco
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To: Notwithstanding
Note to all who will post that does not matter:

Legally, I am sure he is married.

However, this faux-Kennedy, French-looking candidate takes great pains to portray himself as a devoit Catholic.

When in fact - true to form - there may be one more piece of evidence to confirm he is a faux-Catholique.


10 posted on 04/02/2004 11:25:12 PM PST by Notwithstanding (Good parents don't let their kids attend public school or recieve catechsim lessons from sinky)
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To: Notwithstanding
Clinton gets a hummer in the Oval orafice, no one gives a rats ass and you think this is a bombshell?

Maybe if Kerry murders someone with a chain saw, but not this.

Try again.

11 posted on 04/02/2004 11:25:42 PM PST by zarf (..where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment?)
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To: CyberAnt
Do you read the papers or watch the news?

Kerry sells himself as a Catholic candidae.

Thus, HE is campaigining on it - and it goes to his credibility and his character.

One who lies about his religion for personal gain will lie about anything to any one at any time.

CHaracter matters.


12 posted on 04/02/2004 11:28:35 PM PST by Notwithstanding (Good parents don't let their kids attend public school or recieve catechsim lessons from sinky)
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To: Notwithstanding
"Well, first I wanted the annulment, and then I didn't want the annulment".
13 posted on 04/02/2004 11:29:12 PM PST by geopyg (Democracy, whiskey, sexy)
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To: geopyg
Exactly! Is there anything about Kerry that is not a quibble or worse?
14 posted on 04/02/2004 11:31:09 PM PST by Notwithstanding (Good parents don't let their kids attend public school or recieve catechsim lessons from sinky)
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To: CyberAnt
And .. quite frankly, I don't give a rip!

LOL Me either! Geeze, this is the least of the problems with this guy!

15 posted on 04/02/2004 11:34:13 PM PST by ladyinred (Monthly donors don't have to think! Become one now and veg out!)
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To: ladyinred
Its just more potential evidence of his perpetual pretense to be something he is not.

If a pro-life, anti-gay-agenda republican candiate did this the "media" would be all over it - calling him dishonest, pandering, etc.


16 posted on 04/02/2004 11:43:22 PM PST by Notwithstanding (Good parents don't let their kids attend public school or recieve catechsim lessons from sinky)
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To: Notwithstanding

17 posted on 04/02/2004 11:54:10 PM PST by binger
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To: CyberAnt
Well, it's not a personal matter to the Church ...but I think the main point, regardless of one's own feelings on any of the several issues involved in this matter, is that Kerry may possibly be a double-talking phony in yet another area of his life. If he claims to be a practicing Catholic and is taking the Sacraments each week, is he "playing by the rules" of the church he has chosen? Did he obtain an annulment, and if so was he married in the Church after obtaining it? Kerry is arrogant enough it wouldn't surprise me a bit if it turns out he didn't get the annulment and has been taking the Sacraments all this time anyway...if he did get the annulment, it's a simple matter to provide the date, and that's the end of the matter. What gives? Sheila Kennedy's book on annulments, SHATTERED FAITH, was quite fascinating, by the by.
18 posted on 04/02/2004 11:55:41 PM PST by GOPrincess
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To: GOPrincess
Exactly : the religion HE CHOOSES to adhere to (or calim to adhere to. If you are a double-talking phony in that area of life then ell else out of your mouth is presumptively nothing but self-serving chatter.

Under church law, I am almost certain that a sacramental marriage is a matter publc record - in other words, any Catholic wedding of Mr. Ketchup should be documented in a record that the faithful have a right to inspect.

19 posted on 04/03/2004 12:01:29 AM PST by Notwithstanding (Good parents don't let their kids attend public school or recieve catechsim lessons from sinky)
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To: Notwithstanding
Kerry and Thorne finalized their divorce in 1988. After Thorne requested an increase in alimony in 1995, Kerry sought an annulment of their marriage from the Catholic Church, a move observers saw as retaliatory. Kerry eventually received the annulment from the Boston diocese despite Thorne’s vehement objections. Past media reports did not indicate the grounds on which Kerry sought to annul his marriage of 18 years, after it produced two children, and the campaign also declined to provide any explanation.
20 posted on 04/03/2004 12:09:52 AM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl
How do you know an anulmment was actually granted? Do you have a link/source offering some proof?
21 posted on 04/03/2004 12:17:02 AM PST by Notwithstanding (Good parents don't let their kids attend public school or recieve catechsim lessons from sinky)
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To: kcvl
Past media reports did not indicate the grounds on which Kerry sought to annul his marriage of 18 years, after it produced two children, and the campaign also declined to provide any explanation.

One wonders if there was a fat donation involved.

22 posted on 04/03/2004 12:17:16 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: kcvl; Notwithstanding
Kerry needs to open his annulment records
23 posted on 04/03/2004 12:18:16 AM PST by Oztrich Boy ("It is always tempting to impute unlikely virtues to the cute" - Reinstated Tagline)
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To: kcvl
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:qHvlxnFDSjUJ:www.cwnews.com/offtherecord/offtherecord.cfm+kerry+thorne+heinz+annulment&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Time's Kerry goof

Time magazine has a major profile on John Kerry's Catholicism in a recent issue, in which he tries to emulate his idol John F. Kennedy by saying his putative faith won't encumber his ability to vote for abortion and other problematic issues. He also throws the gauntlet down to Archbishop Burke of St. Louis. Burke told him that he shouldn't present himself for Communion in the archdiocese and Kerry says that when he's there, that's not stopping him.

Interestingly, Time also throws out a big whopper of an error,almost laughable in its attempt to portray him as a good Catholic despite his record:

He is enough of a stickler for Catholic rules to have sought an annulment of his 18-year first marriage before marrying again.
Kerry may have sought an annulment, but he didn't receive one. He can't be that much of a stickler.
In 1988, Kerry divorced his previous wife, Julia Thorne, mother of his two children. In 1994, he applied for an annulment in the Archdiocese of Washington, and in 1995 he married Teresa Heinz. But Thorne had challenged the annulment petition and it never went to completion. I guess it's like Kerry saying he voted for the bill funding the troops in Iraq before he voted against it.

On the Don Imus Radio Show in 1997, Kerry showed how important all this is to him:

"Seventy-five percent of all the annulments in the world take place in the United States, and I guess the figure drops to 50 percent if you take out all Massachusetts politicians," Kerry said after being dragged into a discussion by radio talk show host Don Imus. ... "It's one of those special Catholic things. It's like confession or feeling guilty about things you haven't even thought of doing," said Kerry, a 53-year-old Democrat.
Kerry apparently knows that Americans want their presidents to be religious men, at least in form. And Massachusetts Catholic politicians know that it's important to have the appearance of being at least nominally Catholic. But will the game he's playing translate him to national office?
24 posted on 04/03/2004 12:20:06 AM PST by Notwithstanding (Good parents don't let their kids attend public school or recieve catechsim lessons from sinky)
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To: Notwithstanding
“The Catholic League does not possess a theological micrometer that judges, with digital precision, how ‘good’ a Catholic is. Furthermore, it is not our business anyway. But it is also true that we will not pretend disinterest in subjects that touch on the issue of Catholics in public life."

Uh, so promoting murder by abortion has no bearing on your faith? Annulments are more important? What the heck?
25 posted on 04/03/2004 12:22:16 AM PST by txzman
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To: Notwithstanding
That is what I found when I GOOGLED. Someone with more knowledge about the Catholic church can call the Boston diocese to find out the truth.

Press Here...

More...

Kerry is a former altar boy who complains when his campaign staff does not leave time in his Sunday schedule for Mass, who takes Communion and describes himself as a "believing and practicing Catholic, married to another believing and practicing Catholic." But just last week he made a rare appearance on the Senate floor to vote against a bill that would make harming a fetus a separate offense during the commission of a crime. The vote put Kerry on the same side as abortion-rights advocates in opposing specific legal rights for the unborn—and against nearly two-thirds of his fellow Senators.

For now, theologians say, Kerry's conduct is principally a matter between the candidate and his own Archbishop. Boston Archbishop Sean O'Malley has given him Communion in the past; the Senator took the sacrament at O'Malley's installation last July. More recently, however, O'Malley has said that Catholic politicians who do not vote in line with church teachings "shouldn't dare come to Communion." But between the gay-marriage debate in Massachusetts and his efforts to repair the damage from the sexual-abuse scandal that began in his archdiocese, O'Malley already has a plateful of controversy. Kerry, for his part, is planning to avoid stirring any up. "I don't tell church officials what to do," he says, "and church officials shouldn't tell American politicians what to do in the context of our public life."

26 posted on 04/03/2004 12:22:31 AM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Time's Kerry goof

Time magazine has a major profile on John Kerry's Catholicism in a recent issue, in which he tries to emulate his idol John F. Kennedy by saying his putative faith won't encumber his ability to vote for abortion and other problematic issues. He also throws the gauntlet down to Archbishop Burke of St. Louis. Burke told him that he shouldn't present himself for Communion in the archdiocese and Kerry says that when he's there, that's not stopping him.

Interestingly, Time also throws out a big whopper of an error,almost laughable in its attempt to portray him as a good Catholic despite his record:

He is enough of a stickler for Catholic rules to have sought an annulment of his 18-year first marriage before marrying again.
Kerry may have sought an annulment, but he didn't receive one. He can't be that much of a stickler.

In 1988, Kerry divorced his previous wife, Julia Thorne, mother of his two children. In 1994, he applied for an annulment in the Archdiocese of Washington, and in 1995 he married Teresa Heinz. But Thorne had challenged the annulment petition and it never went to completion. I guess it's like Kerry saying he voted for the bill funding the troops in Iraq before he voted against it.

On the Don Imus Radio Show in 1997, Kerry showed how important all this is to him:

"Seventy-five percent of all the annulments in the world take place in the United States, and I guess the figure drops to 50 percent if you take out all Massachusetts politicians," Kerry said after being dragged into a discussion by radio talk show host Don Imus. ... "It's one of those special Catholic things. It's like confession or feeling guilty about things you haven't even thought of doing," said Kerry, a 53-year-old Democrat.
Kerry apparently knows that Americans want their presidents to be religious men, at least in form. And Massachusetts Catholic politicians know that it's important to have the appearance of being at least nominally Catholic. But will the game he's playing translate him to national office?

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27 posted on 04/03/2004 12:22:47 AM PST by Notwithstanding (Good parents don't let their kids attend public school or recieve catechsim lessons from sinky)
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To: txzman
Catholic League is focused on anti-catholicism or erroneous reports involving the faith.
28 posted on 04/03/2004 12:25:02 AM PST by Notwithstanding (Good parents don't let their kids attend public school or recieve catechsim lessons from sinky)
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To: Notwithstanding

John Kerry with the Rev. Michael J. Chaback after attending Sunday service in Bethlehem, Pa., on March 14, before a day of campaigning.

Mr. Kerry sought an annulment from the church when he was divorced from his first wife. He later married Teresa Heinz, who is Catholic, and together they regularly attend Sunday Mass and take communion, a sacrament reserved for those in the church's good graces.

Father McCloskey said, American bishops are "in a quandary" over just what to do about Catholic politicians who fail to uphold church doctrine on issues like abortion. Punitive measures like denying Mr. Kerry communion could backfire, he said.

Few bishops followed the example of Archbishop Burke in St. Louis, and two who did were far less direct. A Catholic official familiar with the bishops' thinking, who did not want to be identified, said after Archbishop Burke's sanction: "Notice the resounding silence. I think many people would not consider that a pastoral way to approach somebody."

Bishop Joseph A. Galante of the diocese of Camden, N.J. who served briefly on the task force on Catholics in politics, said that bishops must, in their roles as teachers, assert church doctrine and continue to call Catholic politicians to account to prevent them from leading other Catholics astray.

"When someone who is public and identifies as a Catholic takes public positions opposed to church teaching," Bishop Galante said, "if it's just ignored, then the question arises among other Catholic people, who say, `Well, I guess it's all right to hold these positions.' "

More here...

29 posted on 04/03/2004 12:30:56 AM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl
But he IS telling Church officials what to do -- namely, to butt out of his life, don't tell him what a "good Catholic" is or isn't supposed to do, and don't excommunicate him merely because he refuses to follow the laws of the Church.

If a Catholic who was married in the Church later gets divorced, he is not allowed to marry again in the Church unless he receives an anulment of the first marriage. If he doesn't remarry in the Church, he is not allowed to receive the sacrament of Communion until he rectifies that situation.

If Kerry has known all along that his marriage to Te-ray-sa is not valid, yet he has continued to receive Communion, that is a mortal sin.

I for one believe this issue should be pursued vigorously. If the above situation is found to be the case, he should be instantly excommunicated by the Archbishop since he is obviously a religious fraud as well as just a fraud in general.

30 posted on 04/03/2004 12:38:09 AM PST by IrishRainy
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To: kcvl
how many abortions has that man's votes papered over?

he can't call himself a devout Catholic....
31 posted on 04/03/2004 12:47:54 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: IrishRainy; kcvl
Telling refusal from the main thread article:

"On March 23, 2003, the Providence Journal-Bulletin said that Kerry ‘will not say whether he obtained an annulment of his first marriage….’ "
32 posted on 04/03/2004 12:49:16 AM PST by Notwithstanding (Good parents don't let their kids attend public school or watch most TV)
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To: kcvl
Kerry will not confirm if he has obtained an anullment.
That speaks volumes.
33 posted on 04/03/2004 12:52:55 AM PST by Notwithstanding (Good parents don't let their kids attend public school or watch most TV)
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To: BurbankKarl
that was the big thing with Gray Davis in CA....the Bishop in charge of Sacramento refused to allow him to take communion....(ut that didnt stop him from getting it in So Cal)

these guys on the East Coast must have some altar boys hiding in the closet.
34 posted on 04/03/2004 12:53:37 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Notwithstanding
If I recall my Catholicism correctly, back in the day, children of an anulled marriage were not allowed to participate in the Church...as they were seen as illegitimate. I am sure this has all been changed.
35 posted on 04/03/2004 12:58:16 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Notwithstanding; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp IV; narses; ...
If Kerry did not receive an annulment, then he is not married in the Catholic Church and cannot receive the sacraments. But even if he was annulled, did he and Teresa Heinz get married in the Catholic Church following the annulment? If not, then Kerry is not married in the Church, thus raising all sorts of questions.”

Understanding Annulments

Catholic Ping - let me know if you want on/off this list


36 posted on 04/03/2004 1:05:09 AM PST by NYer (The Maronite, works, builds, and plants as if he is celebrating the liturgy. - Father Michel HAYEK)
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To: Notwithstanding
Kerry allowed everyone to think he was Irish. He kept mum about his Jewish heritage till he was outed by the media.

Now we find that he's allowed everyone to think he received an annulment. He's kept mum about that also and now he's again being outed.

This devious creep is a candidate for the highest political office in the world. Anyone who thinks that Kerry's various subterfuges are to be considered "private" certainly does not care about character in public officials.

If this weird character straight out of horror-movie central casting can lie and use sleight-of-hand in public, the populace is also entitled to publicly nail him for his deceit.

Leni

37 posted on 04/03/2004 1:05:50 AM PST by MinuteGal (Paradise is not lost ! You'll find it May 22 aboard "FReeps Ahoy 3". Register now for our cruise.)
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To: GOPrincess
Not being a Catholic, I appreciate your insight.

This statement hits the nail on the head: "a double-talking phony in yet another area of his life"

I hope some moderate Catholics will see it that way too.
38 posted on 04/03/2004 1:08:50 AM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: ladyinred
I think the Catholic church should handle it.
39 posted on 04/03/2004 1:10:06 AM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: Notwithstanding
I'm not a Catholic, but I could not agree with you more.

Unfortunately, I don't think the Catholic church has gone out of its way to enforce their rules. Personally, I say it's their problem and up to them to solve.
40 posted on 04/03/2004 1:12:52 AM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: kcvl
After Thorne requested an increase in alimony in 1995,

He was getting alimony from her? She had all the money ($300,000,000 is the figure I've seen). I've read that he was living off her money during the lengthy separation.

41 posted on 04/03/2004 1:22:03 AM PST by maryz
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To: Notwithstanding
Why did Ketchup ditch his first wife?
She wasn't doing him, or what?
42 posted on 04/03/2004 1:28:54 AM PST by greasepaint
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To: BurbankKarl
If I recall my Catholicism correctly, back in the day, children of an anulled marriage were not allowed to participate in the Church...as they were seen as illegitimate. I am sure this has all been changed.

What???? Illegitimacy is a civil category, not a religious one. I can't imagine who ever could have told you such a thing.

Illegitimacy was at one time (perhaps still is) considered an impediment (whether insuperable or not, I'm not sure) to ordination or religious life, but that was on the practical -- not theological -- grounds that children of people who "couldn't control themselves" might have inherited or learned the same tendency. But that's far from the same thing as not being allowed to participate in the Church.

43 posted on 04/03/2004 1:32:44 AM PST by maryz
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To: Notwithstanding
This says that John Kerry was married to Teresa Heinz in 1995 and didn't get an annulment until 1997...


John Kerry was married to Julie Thorne in 1970, and had two daughters: Alexandra (b. 1973) and Vanessa (b. 1976). Kerry and Thorne were separated in 1982 and divorced in 1988. The marriage was formally annulled by the Roman Catholic Church in 1997. In 1995, he married Teresa Heinz, the widow of Senator John Heinz. Their combined net worth is reported to be between $199 million and $839 million [3], making Kerry the wealthiest U.S. senator.


*****

This is from the National Enquirer...



"(Kerry is) so vain. The first time he took Hollywood star Dana Delany home, his big move was showing her video clips taken of him in the Navy when he was in Vietnam. She never went out with him again.

He dated Morgan Fairchild and Michelle Phillips -- and they've both donated to other Democratic candidates for 2004 election. Now what does that tell you they think of him now?"

...Kerry first ran for Congress -- and lost -- in 1972, nearly two years after he wed blue blood Julie Thorne, an heir to a huge Wall Street Fortune.

His dream of entering political life was finally realized when he was elected Massachusetts' lieutenant governor in 1982, an office he ran for even though his wife was battling suicidal depression -- and had been for years.

His marriage ended that year as he and Julia separated.

She later wrote two books, admitting she contemplated suicide and had lived a lonely life with Kerry.

Kerry and Julia didn't officially divorce until 1988 and she made appearances with him when he won election to U.S. Senate in 1984.

By the late 1980s, Kerry was floundering financially without the help of a wealthy wife.

For months at a time, he found himself homeless, forced to live with lobbyist friends or his former brother-in-law David Thorne.

But his financial situation changed when he met his second wife Teresa Heinz, the widow of Pennsylvania Sen. H. John Heinz, heir to the condiment fortune. Teresa inherited $550 million from her late husband.

After Kerry and Teresa were married on May 26, 1995, he went from near-homelessness to a multi-million-dollar Boston townhouse."
44 posted on 04/03/2004 1:37:21 AM PST by kcvl
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To: CyberAnt
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It is JOHN KERRY that is telling the world that he is a Catholic in good standing while taking the Sacrament of Holy Communion.

But it looks like it's really...

KERRY taking Communion =

Non-Catholic CLINTON taking Communion

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45 posted on 04/03/2004 2:02:17 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
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...Here's an ALOHA Bump 4-U...

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46 posted on 04/03/2004 2:05:58 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: SkyPilot
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The Firestorm created by Rep. JOSEPH KENNEDY's throwing an Annulment at his wife of 18 years was central to his having to withdraw from the Mass. Governor's Race.

Quo Vadis KERRY..?


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47 posted on 04/03/2004 2:09:27 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: Notwithstanding
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NEVER FORGET


JOHN KERRY come home from the Vietnam War to call us American Soldiers fighting for Freedom there ...rapists and...

...TERRORISTS

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1320



MEL GIBSON was so inspired by the real story of Amerian Soldiers fighting for Freedom in Vietnam while filming "WE WERE SOLDIERS" that he finally decided he just had to make his ultimate story of Love and Sacrifice...

.."The PASSION of the Christ"

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=39081



I wonder who got the story right..?



Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer / Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm
(IA DRANG-1965 Photos)


NEVER FORGET

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48 posted on 04/03/2004 2:30:24 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: Notwithstanding
bttt
49 posted on 04/03/2004 3:04:34 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (There is no problem so great that it cannot be solved with high powered explosives.)
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To: CyberAnt
He's running as a Catholic and some (idiot) Catholics will vote for him because of it. Like my sister.

This is a big deal to anyone in communion with the church.
However, I'd say 3/4ths of the Catholics in America today are not.
50 posted on 04/03/2004 3:10:00 AM PST by netmilsmom (Busybody of Free Republic)
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