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Generals weary of low troop levels (Novak: Pentagon generals won't vote for Bush)
suntimes.com ^ | April 8, 2004 | ROBERT NOVAK

Posted on 04/08/2004 10:37:07 AM PDT by Destro

Generals weary of low troop levels

April 8, 2004

BY ROBERT NOVAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

The New York Times Book Review of last Sunday received unusual attention in the Pentagon's corridors this week. The review of In the Company of Soldiers by Washington Post war correspondent Rick Atkinson reveals the ridiculously low estimate made by the Pentagon's civilian leadership of troops needed in Iraq. Those words echoed eerily amid news of open fighting in Baghdad between U.S. troops and Shiite militia.

In the afterword following his brilliant account of the actual war, Atkinson wrote: ''Pentagon planners in early May had predicted that U.S. troop levels would be down to 30,000 by late summer [of 2003].'' That was the first time that prediction had been seen in print by startled readers at the Defense Department. The existing 125,000 troop level (currently at 135,000 because of replacements) is considered inadequate by the generals. Gen. John Abizaid, the regional commander-in-chief, has made clear he will ask for more troops if his subordinate commanders need them.

But Afghanistan also needs more troops. So where will they come from? Nobody knows, and that connotes an overcommitment by the United States and a miscalculation at the Defense Department. The uniformed military does not speak out publicly, but the generals are outraged. A former national security official considers the relationship at the Pentagon between civilians and the military as worse than at any time in his long career.

At the heart of this debate is the original belief by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's team that conquering U.S. troops would be welcomed by open arms in Iraq. In this highly political season, Democrats are replaying the debate of a year ago. Gen. Eric Shinseki, then about to leave as the Army's chief of staff, said ''several hundred thousand soldiers'' could be needed in Iraq. ''Way off the mark,'' retorted Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz.

Adhering to the principle of civilian control of the military and unvarying obedience to orders, the generals have not publicly expressed their opinion that Shinseki was much closer to the truth than Wolfowitz. However, Abizaid made clear Monday that he was not going to be the fall guy if conditions in Iraq further deteriorate. If commanders want more troops to fulfill their mission, he will ask for them. That would leave Rumsfeld with no choice. The secretary announced on Tuesday that the generals ''will get what they ask.''

The problem of where to find these troops is not easily solved. There are simply no large units available and suitable for assignment. The 3rd Infantry Division was sent home early, but is now in the midst of Rumsfeld's ''transformation'' (from three brigades to five) and so is not ready to be inserted into combat. National Guard brigades could be activated, but the need for full training before going to war means they cannot help resolve the present crisis.

Democrats have demanded the use of foreign troops, but countries that previously refused to help without a U.N. mandate have not changed their minds. Britain announced Tuesday it was replacing an armored brigade, keeping its contribution at the present level of 8,700 troops but not adding any. Spain's new leftist government wants out. That leaves only Turkey willing to help, but the United States has ruled that out in the face of fierce Kurdish opposition.

Although underestimating troop needs in a less political environment would mean fixing the blame at the Pentagon, every issue today becomes a test of party loyalty. Senators Richard Lugar and Chuck Hagel, the top two Republicans on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, are assailed by the White House for offering constructive criticism. With Sen. Edward M. Kennedy setting the Democratic line by saying that ''Iraq is George Bush's Vietnam,'' sensible dialogue is impossible.

While Democrats roar, the generals are silent -- in public. Many confide that they will not cast their normal Republican votes on Nov. 2. They cannot bring themselves to vote for John Kerry, who has been a consistent Senate vote against the military. But they say they are unable to vote for Don Rumsfeld's boss, and so will not vote at all.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dod; gwb2004; iraq; militaryvote; novak; rumsfeld; transformation; troopstrength
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Novak seems to have 2 personalities - on television he seems pro Bush and in print he is anti-Bush.
1 posted on 04/08/2004 10:37:09 AM PDT by Destro
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2 posted on 04/08/2004 10:38:53 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (I'd rather be sleeping. Let's get this over with so I can go back to sleep!)
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To: Destro
Now I'm absolutely convinced that Novak is full of cow chips.
3 posted on 04/08/2004 10:39:16 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Destro
With Sen. Edward M. Kennedy setting the Democratic line by........

.....giving aid & comfort to the enemy from the Senate floor.

4 posted on 04/08/2004 10:39:30 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: Destro
This is just a waste of bandwidth. Novak is so wacky at times I have given up even reading what he has to say anymore. Is there some sort of brain disease going around at CNN?
5 posted on 04/08/2004 10:39:59 AM PDT by snooker (Clinton's definition of terror ... Monica I told you not to use your teeth.)
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To: Destro
Novak is slime! No way are most Generals in the Pentagon going to vote for Kerry and everyone can take that to the bank! Only Generals opposing Pres Bush are the Clintonite holdovers!

As for force levels -- go see Congress! These same Clintonite Generals have been blocking reform every step of the way as well. Them and Novak can stuff it.

Novak is overly impressed with himself and about the only people who would talk to him would be Clintonite Generals -- the ones that General Myers and others from the Joint Chiefs would like to get rid of for leaking.
6 posted on 04/08/2004 10:41:11 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04 -- Losing is not an Option!)
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To: Destro
This is nothing but malarkey.

Utterly unbelievable.

Novak is a nutcase.
7 posted on 04/08/2004 10:41:13 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Destro
Unless I misunderstood what I've been hearing, Bush has said on numerous occassions that the Generals will get all they want...they just have to ask. Karen Hughes was just on, saying that unlike Vietnam, this war is being fought by the military commanders, who are making the calls. So who's lying, here?
8 posted on 04/08/2004 10:43:34 AM PDT by cwb (Kerry: Sadr is a legitmate voice in Iraq being silenced by America)
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To: EternalVigilance
Look what news channel he works for.
9 posted on 04/08/2004 10:44:07 AM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: Destro
Novak = DNC operative and American traitor

Two government officials orded Robert Novak
specifically not to publish the name of undercover CIA operative Valerie Plame
in his July 14 newspaper column.


10 posted on 04/08/2004 10:45:43 AM PDT by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: anniegetyourgun
10 or 12 years ago we had 18 Divisions in the army...Now we have 10...Not Bush's fault
11 posted on 04/08/2004 10:46:42 AM PDT by andrew1957
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To: Destro
While Democrats roar, the generals are silent -- in public. Many confide that they will not cast their normal Republican votes on Nov. 2. They cannot bring themselves to vote for John Kerry, who has been a consistent Senate vote against the military. But they say they are unable to vote for Don Rumsfeld's boss, and so will not vote at all.

This is extremely hard to believe. I'd like to know if anyone backs up what Novak is saying.

12 posted on 04/08/2004 10:48:01 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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Novak: Pentagon generals won't vote for Bush

Can you please explain to me how you drew this conclusion? I have read the article and I do not draw that conclusion. Every general I know and every officer I know, retired and active, is NOT supporting Kerry! Can't stand him. So are you saying that Generals are going to stay home and not vote! That is the only conclusion that I can draw. PS I hate when people add their own subtitles to articles. Just post it as it is!

13 posted on 04/08/2004 10:48:12 AM PDT by TrueBeliever9 (aut viam inveniam aut faciam)
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To: xzins
This article is so against everything that I know - especially given General Franks and the majority of the opinions of the Point alumni.
14 posted on 04/08/2004 10:50:05 AM PDT by TrueBeliever9 (aut viam inveniam aut faciam)
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To: Destro
Novak seems to have 2 personalities - on television he seems pro Bush and in print he is anti-Bush.

Do you detect an anti-Bush tone in this article? Simply reporting factual information which we don't want to hear does not make someone "anti-Bush". If the facts were slanted or there was a tone of glee, then I would understand the assessment.

The only shortcoming I see, at first blush, is an understatement of foreign troop support. He also missed mentioning that the South Koreans have pledged a relatively large number of troops soon.

15 posted on 04/08/2004 10:53:19 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: EternalVigilance
There is reason to believe that there is much unhappiness at the Pentagon with Rummy on the troop level question.
16 posted on 04/08/2004 10:53:25 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: Destro
Novak has been slowly losing his grip on reality for several years.
17 posted on 04/08/2004 10:54:54 AM PDT by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: Destro
"But they say they are unable to vote for Don Rumsfeld's boss, and so will not vote at all."

Generals may be many things, but stupid is not one of them.

DE OPPRESSO LIBER

18 posted on 04/08/2004 10:56:24 AM PDT by bra
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To: TrueBeliever9
So are you saying that Generals are going to stay home and not vote!

Just read the last sentence of the article.

19 posted on 04/08/2004 10:56:45 AM PDT by AmusedBystander
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To: PhiKapMom
No way are most Generals in the Pentagon going to vote for Kerry

See my comment #13 - Destro added to the title and no where in the article do I see this statement!

20 posted on 04/08/2004 10:57:29 AM PDT by TrueBeliever9 (aut viam inveniam aut faciam)
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