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Militiamen Control Two Iraqi Cities
Associated Press ^ | 4/8/2004 | LEE KEATH

Posted on 04/08/2004 2:41:28 PM PDT by TexKat

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Sunni guerrillas killed a U.S. Marine Thursday in the fourth day of the battle for Fallujah, and militant Shiite militiamen held all or part of three southern cities. In an ominous new tactic, kidnappers seized foreign hostages, threatening to burn three Japanese captives alive if Tokyo did not withdraw troops.

The al-Sadr's al-Mahdi Army militia had full control in the cities of Kut and Kufa and in the central part of Najaf. Police in the cities have abandoned their stations or stood aside as the gunmen roam the streets.

The newly invigorated, two-front insurgency has produced scenes of chaos and violence in Iraq not seen since U.S. forces captured Baghdad a year ago Friday. The turmoil further threatened shaky Iraqi security as the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority prepared to hand political sovereignty to a still-to-be-chosen Iraqi government June 30.

L. Paul Bremer, the chief U.S. administrator of Iraq, warned Shiite pilgrims to beware of danger from more violence this weekend at the shrines, recalling the deadly bombings in Karbala and Baghdad that killed nearly 150 during celebrations last month.

Television pictures broadcast in the Middle East by the Al-Jazeera satellite network and rebroadcast during prime-time in Japan showed the three Japanese hostages — two aid workers and a journalist — wide-eyed and moaning in terror as their black-clad captors held knives to their throats, shouting God is Great in Arabic.

The Japanese government called the abductions "unforgivable" but said they did not justify a Japanese withdrawal.

Two Arab aid workers from Jerusalem — one who had once lived in Georgia — were abducted in a separate incident.

Eight South Korean Christian missionaries were seized by gunmen outside Baghdad. Seven were freed after one of them escaped, the Foreign Ministry in Seoul said.

Marines battled insurgents firing automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades in continued heavy fighting at two mosques in Fallujah. U.S. forces have surrounded the city 35 miles east of Baghdad, but opened the blockade for a convoy carrying food and medicine sent to the beleaguered residents by Sunni clerics in Baghdad.

The U.S. military, meanwhile, reported the deaths of three 1st Infantry Division soldiers on Wednesday and Thursday in attacks by Sunni insurgents — though the circumstances and day of each death were not provided. The Army said a fourth soldier died from wounds received in an attack last week.

Those deaths, along with the Marine killed Thursday in Fallujah, brought to 40 the number of American troops killed across Iraq this week. The fighting in Fallujah, nearby Ramadi, and across the south has killed more than 460 Iraqis — including more than 280 in Fallujah, according to the director of the city's hospital, Rafie Al-Issawi.

The spiraling violence which began Sunday raised questions about whether Iraqi police and security forces would confront the violence and whether U.S. allies would stay the course.

In Najaf, a policeman watched helplessly on Thursday as a pickup truck carrying a dozen heavily armed Shiite militiamen went past his police station — already in the militia's hands.

"Look, how can we control such a situation?" he asked an Associated Press reporter.

There also were concerns about the largely passive Shiite majority and whether it would remain peaceful, shunning radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's attempts to enlist them in the fight he is leading to oust the Americans.

Still, U.S. administrators insist they are making both political and military progress. U.N. envoy Lakhdar Brahimi is in Iraq, trying to establish a system to pick an interim Iraqi government. And Marine commanders said they were winning the fight for Fallujah.

"The mission is going particularly well. We made inroads into the city and we are driving the enemy resistance back," said Marine Lt. Col. Greg Olsen. "We're winning every firefight."

But there has been a cost. Twelve Marines died Tuesday in an ambush in Ramadi, just down the road from Fallujah, and four others have died in the fighting west of Baghdad since the weekend, including the Marine who was killed Thursday.

Iraq's interior minister, who leads police and security forces, resigned Thursday at Bremer's request to maintain balance between Sunni and Shiite factions on the governing council.

It was unclear if Nuri al-Badran was forced out because the police were not performing their duties, but he had complained of divided loyalties.

"I found from the start that the coalition appoints policemen, clerics appoint policemen, as do political parties and militias. The same thing with promotions. All these things led to a lack of security," he told journalists.

Al-Sadr, who is reportedly holed up in his office in Najaf, attempted to rally Iraqis — including Sunnis — behind him.

"This ordeal has shown that all the Iraqi people are united," he said in a statement issued by his office. "The occupiers want to attack our Sunni brothers and to terminate them."

Al-Sadr's force remains unpopular with most Shiites because it is too radical. And so far, there has been little sign of a widespread support for the movement or a surge to join the fight against the Americans.

Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the top U.S. general in Iraq, acknowledged Thursday there appeared to be links "at the lowest levels" between al-Sadr's Shiite militia and the Sunni Arab insurgency.

Sanchez vowed that coalition forces would move "imminently" to break al-Sadr's hold over Kut, 95 miles southeast of Baghdad, and destroy his militia throughout the country in a new operation named "Resolute Sword."

Sanchez would not say whether U.S. forces would move into southern Iraq to help troops from allied nations whose soldiers control the vast stretch of land reaching to the Persian Gulf.

Ukrainian troops in Kut abandoned their base Wednesday in the face of mortar fire and gunbattles, allowing al-Mahdi Army fighters to sweep in, seize weapons and plant their flag.

Sanchez acknowledged the militia had shown well-coordinated tactics in battles with Spanish forces in Najaf, using rooftop snipers to fire on soldiers.

"We have not seen that level of on-the-battle-field type of planning in other places at this point," he said.

Sanchez said the presence of thousands of Shiite pilgrims in Najaf this weekend was hampering coalition forces from moving against militiamen who hold police stations and are in the streets around Shiite shrines in the city center.

Hundreds of thousands of pilgrims are in southern cities, particularly Karbala, ahead of al-Arbaeen ceremonies this weekend to mark the end of the period of mourning for a 7th-century martyred Shiite saint.

"We are very cognizant of the religious ceremonies," Sanchez said.

In Baghdad, U.S. forces have battled nightly with the al-Mahdi Army militia in its Sadr City stronghold. Before dawn Thursday, a U.S. helicopter fired on the al-Sadr office, wounding an unknown number of Iraqis and causing heavy damage.

Polish and Bulgarian soldiers drove off Shiites who attacked them near the municipal hall in Karbala during all-night battles, a Polish spokesman said. Coalition forces suffered no casualties but killed nine attackers and wounded about 20 others, said Lt. Col. Robert Strzelecki.

In Fallujah, U.S. Marines battled for a second day to seize a mosque that officers say insurgents are using as a fire base. Marines called in tanks and warplanes to pound the Sunni gunmen. The American force seized the Abdel-Aziz al-Samarrai mosque for the second night in a row.

The Marines told an Associated Press reporter they had discovered homemade suicide belts in the city and had killed two men wearing such belts. Suicide tactics had not been seen before in the Sunni city.

After a six-hour battle on Wednesday, a U.S. Cobra helicopter fired a missile at the base of the mosque's minaret, and an F-16 dropped a laser-guided bomb at the wall, allowing Marines to move in and seize the site the first time, Lt. Col. Brennan Byrne said. But the insurgents had returned by Thursday morning, after the Marines abandoned the site.

The Islamic Clerics Committee, whose offices are next to the mosque, said 40 people, including whole families, were killed in Wednesday's bombing. It occurred at about the time worshippers would have gathered for afternoon prayers.

The Marines deny any civilians were killed, but U.S. military commanders said a large number of gunmen were killed in the day's battle.

Tokyo has sent 530 ground troops to the southern city of Samawah, part of a planned deployment of 1,100 on a noncombat mission to purify water and help rebuild Iraq — Japan's largest deployment of troops since World War II.

The eight South Korean Christian missionaries were seized by gunmen on the main highway from Amman to Baghdad. They were later released. Gunmen have occasionally detained and robbed travelers on the route, a key entrance to Iraq from abroad.

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Associated Press reporter Lourdes Navarro contributed to this report from Fallujah.


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1 posted on 04/08/2004 2:41:29 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: TexKat
The newly invigorated, two-front insurgency has produced scenes of chaos and violence in Iraq not seen since U.S. forces captured Baghdad a year ago Friday.

How long til they spread themselves too thin?

2 posted on 04/08/2004 2:47:29 PM PDT by syriacus (2001: The Daschle-Schumer Gang obstructed Bush's attempts to organize his administration -->9/11)
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To: TexKat
Drop leaflets saying all non-combatants have till Sunday to vacate the areas. Anyone remaining will be considered a combatant.
3 posted on 04/08/2004 2:49:26 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (General - Alien Army of the Right (AAOTR))
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To: All

GOD BLESS AMERICA
AND KEEP HER STRONG
DONATE TO FR NOW, PLEASE.

4 posted on 04/08/2004 2:49:44 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (I'd rather be sleeping. Let's get this over with so I can go back to sleep!)
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To: TexKat
Sounds like some of this needs to wait until after the weekend, when the pilgrims go home. This is far from a national uprising, but still it is a serious problem. I just wish there was an Iraqi army capable of retaking some of these towns.
5 posted on 04/08/2004 2:49:51 PM PDT by Williams
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To: All
US may extend the stay of 15,000 troops in Iraq
6 posted on 04/08/2004 2:59:32 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Williams
Sounds like some of this needs to wait until after the weekend, when the pilgrims go home.

The question is are they all actual pilgrims.

7 posted on 04/08/2004 3:01:57 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
Remember in the 1880's another great military man General Lord Kitchner destroyed another Mahdi army in the Sudan. Go get them.
8 posted on 04/08/2004 3:02:29 PM PDT by wilmington2
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To: Williams; TexKat; swarthyguy
This is breath taking..

Sanchez would not say whether U.S. forces would move into southern Iraq to help troops from allied nations whose soldiers control the vast stretch of land reaching to the Persian Gulf.

Ukrainian troops in Kut abandoned their base Wednesday in the face of mortar fire and gunbattles, allowing al-Mahdi Army fighters to sweep in, seize weapons and plant their flag.

Sanchez acknowledged the militia had shown well-coordinated tactics in battles with Spanish forces in Najaf, using rooftop snipers to fire on soldiers.

"We have not seen that level of on-the-battle-field type of planning in other places at this point," he said.

I think we need a change.....Sanchez doesn't have a clue.

Ukrain has now been totally chased off .....they had there base taken from them today....UNFREAKING REAL!

9 posted on 04/08/2004 3:05:53 PM PDT by Dog
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To: TexKat
Exactly.....what if they are Iranian Revolutionary Guards who are there to consolidate the positions Sadr's army has grabbed.
10 posted on 04/08/2004 3:07:55 PM PDT by Dog
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To: syriacus
How long til they spread themselves too thin?

The only time that I can see that they will be spread unfortunatly too thin is when they bring in the AC-130s.

If you have cable Newsworld International has a little more on scene coverage.

11 posted on 04/08/2004 3:10:43 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Dog
Sanchez latest update.

Najaf Kut and Kufa not under Coalition control.

AS of right now, only Kut is due to be taken by US troops.

It's on the Basra Highway and we can't have that cut. (ha)

Cut at Kut.

It's not Sanchez, dog, who's he take orders from.

This is a WhiteHouse, Pentagon, NSA political call. Face it.

No military man would want to fight like this.
12 posted on 04/08/2004 3:12:52 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: wilmington2
Remember in the 1880's another great military man General

one little prob...this is the "touchy-feely" 2000's

13 posted on 04/08/2004 3:15:51 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: TexKat
The only time that I can see that they will be spread unfortunatly too thin is when they bring in the AC-130s

get real, as much as I would love to see it....we are NOT going to see a AC 130 tear apart a city

just wont happen

14 posted on 04/08/2004 3:18:12 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: syriacus
The al Sadr Iraqis are in a quagmire! They cannot possibley fight on two fronts at one time and be successful /sarcasm

15 posted on 04/08/2004 3:18:31 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: TexKat
Iraq is not ready for a democracy. The culture is more suited to a monarchy. Get them a king to whom the people can develop affection and loyalty, then he can create an army to wipe out opposition. Of course it goes without saying this king should be friendly to the West.

Democracy will not work in Iraq. Eventually a magnetic personality will gain enough power to make a coup and a return to dictatorship.
16 posted on 04/08/2004 3:26:11 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Williams
Sounds like some of this needs to wait until after the weekend, when the pilgrims go home

Yeah, and the fighters leadership leaves intermingled with the pilgrims, to plan another conflict somewhere else

17 posted on 04/08/2004 3:26:59 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: Dog; Rokke
Dog Newsworld International has a clip where some of the insurgents have been interviewed. One of them states that they are follwers of Sadr, and that he would kill anyone that lays a hand on Sadr, even Bush.

Another insurgent that states that the Shia and Sunni are one and the same.

A clip that a journalist is taken into Najaf and shown around, but when they get closer to where Sadr is, the journalist is told to leave.

A different clip shows were there are other bewildered Shite clerics that do not agree with the insurgents.

Rumors spread faster in Iraq than they do on FR. Sunni's and Shiits will join together right after Croat's and Serbs do. None of the actions today involved a combined force.

Rokke I think that you were wrong a couple of days ago.

18 posted on 04/08/2004 3:28:06 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Iraq is not ready for a democracy

I have been saying the same thing now for almost a year.

19 posted on 04/08/2004 3:31:44 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: syriacus
THey are too thin now. As Hugh Hewitt just said..20k Marines vs. hundreds or scum buckets...humm, let's choose

Just wish one good guy wouldn't get lost even if 5,000 scum died.

20 posted on 04/08/2004 3:33:01 PM PDT by madison46 (Bandwagon was full when it left the gate - I hope it remains too full for frogs & co.)
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To: TexKat
We'll see. The Sadr folks like to claim a lot of things. Not much of it is true.
21 posted on 04/08/2004 4:01:26 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: TexKat
Methinks it's time to drop the pretenses, remember that they started this and, most of all, remember this is WAR!

sKerry has said this needed to be treated as a law enforcement issue. Well, we are close to doing just that.

Do we know where this guy's office is in Najaf? Level it with a laser bomb!

Roof top snipers? Call in an AC130 with orders to take them out.

We need to get SERIOUS!

22 posted on 04/08/2004 4:07:59 PM PDT by upchuck (Pay attention!! This tagline changes on an irregular schedule and without prior warning.)
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To: TexKat
Why is this "mosque" [firebase] still standing?????
23 posted on 04/08/2004 4:11:28 PM PDT by Indie (We don't need no steenkin' experts!)
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To: syriacus
Spread thin? Well...we certainly have.
24 posted on 04/08/2004 4:12:01 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: TexKat
We might be getting people inside with the pilgrims.
25 posted on 04/08/2004 4:14:07 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: BushisTheMan
The quagmire jokes by the same people who advocated getting into this mess are wearing thin.
26 posted on 04/08/2004 4:16:52 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: TexKat
Marines battled insurgents firing automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades in continued heavy fighting at two mosques in Fallujah. U.S. forces have surrounded the city 35 miles east of Baghdad, but opened the blockade for a convoy carrying food and medicine sent to the beleaguered residents by Sunni clerics in Baghdad.

Better known as the "Fallujah relief operation".

27 posted on 04/08/2004 4:19:31 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: TexKat
threatening to burn three Japanese captives alive if Tokyo did not withdraw troops.

100 Shiite men, women, and children for each Japanese citizen.

The world needs to wake up to the savagery we're facing from Islam.

28 posted on 04/08/2004 4:28:51 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor
they have already released the Japanese...

didnt anyone tell the Arabs Japanese food is served up raw?
29 posted on 04/08/2004 4:44:10 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Indie; Dog; MamaDearest
Marines Fight Insurgents in Fallujah

They can't get in. We challenge them to enter," a guerrilla commander from inside the city told the Al-Jazeera TV network in a phone interview. The commander, identified only as Abu Hafs, said he belonged to a group called the "Mujahedeen of the Victorious Sect," which includes non-Iraqi Islamic militants.

30 posted on 04/08/2004 4:54:52 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
Who can't get in?
31 posted on 04/08/2004 4:59:41 PM PDT by Dog
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To: TexKat
U.N. envoy Lakhdar Brahimi is in Iraq, trying to establish a system to pick an interim Iraqi government.

UN? pick a system? Nobody told Hari Kerry?.

32 posted on 04/08/2004 5:01:00 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: upchuck
Some one needs to ask Kerry if it is a law enforcement issue should the military handle it the same way the Federal Police handled Waco.
33 posted on 04/08/2004 5:05:59 PM PDT by Kadric
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To: TexKat; Cap Huff; swarthyguy; Coop; Boot Hill; Angelus Errare; oceanview; Travis McGee
Check this out....I found it in the article Tex Kat posted....

One officer said Marines encountered insurgents wearing suicide belts for the first time in the Fallujah campaign. Two Iraqis killed by Marines were found with belts bearing plastic explosives and metal for shrapnel. A raid on a weapons cache in a house also uncovered suicide belts.

It was a disturbing sign because suicide tactics had not been seen before in Fallujah.

We are really hurting them in Fallujah.....they are resorting to suicide attacks.

34 posted on 04/08/2004 5:07:25 PM PDT by Dog
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To: TexKat
The real question is why weren't these people disarmed over the last year. Huge mistake!!! Door to door - search for weapons!!
35 posted on 04/08/2004 5:11:36 PM PDT by wewereright
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To: TexKat
Level the place, and show then what happens when they try this crap
36 posted on 04/08/2004 5:20:34 PM PDT by Mr. K
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To: Dog
Who can't get in?

I believe the Abu Haf member is saying that the Americans can't get in.

Link to Abu Mus’ab al-Zarqawi Feburary 2004 Letter

Text from Abu Mus’ab al-Zarqawi LetterAs you know, God favored the [Islamic] nation with jihad on His behalf in the land of Mesopotamia. It is known to you that the arena here is not like the rest. It has positive elements not found in others, and it also has negative elements not found in others. Among the greatest positive elements of this arena is that it is jihad in the Arab heartland. It is a stone’s throw from the lands of the two Holy Precincts and the al-Aqsa [Mosque]. We know from God’s religion that the true, decisive battle between infidelity and Islam is in this land, i.e., in [Greater] Syria and its surroundings. Therefore, we must spare no effort and strive urgently to establish a foothold in this land. Perhaps God may cause something to happen thereafter. The current situation, o courageous shaykhs, makes it necessary for us to examine this matter deeply, starting from our true Law and the reality in which we live….

Here is the current situation as I, with my limited vision, see it. I ask God to forgive my prattle and lapses. I say, having sought help from God, that the Americans, as you know well, entered Iraq on a contractual basis and to create the State of Greater Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates and that this Zionized American Administration believes that accelerating the creation of the State of [Greater] Israel will accelerate the emergence of the Messiah. It came to Iraq with all its people, pride, and haughtiness toward God and his Prophet. It thought that the matter would be somewhat easy. Even if there were to be difficulties, it would be easy. But it collided with a completely different reality. The operations of the brother mujahidin began from the first moment, which mixed things up somewhat. Then, the pace of operations quickened. This was in the Sunni Triangle, if this is the right name for it. This forced the Americans to conclude a deal with the Shi`a, the most evil of mankind. The deal was concluded on [the basis that] the Shi`a would get two-thirds of the booty for having stood in the ranks of the Crusaders against the mujahidin.

37 posted on 04/08/2004 5:24:37 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Dog
Ukrain has now been totally chased off .....they had there base taken from them today

The Ukrainians abandoned their base yesterday Wednesday. The Bulgarians had to demand backup yesterday.

38 posted on 04/08/2004 5:32:00 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
Two words come to mind: Grant and Vicksburg.
39 posted on 04/08/2004 5:40:31 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Dog
Probably because they couldn't fire back, pilgrams in the way.
40 posted on 04/08/2004 5:48:01 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Rokke
Right...its nice for them to get clustered for us.
41 posted on 04/08/2004 5:51:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Uh Joe, the surrounded city is west of Baghdad.
42 posted on 04/08/2004 5:53:30 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: stboz; Dog
Grant and Vicksburg

Whatever the particular parallel the general lesson is the most important: Grant's power was tenacity. Grant never, ever, never gave up, no matter how awful things looked to him or to the world around him. The defining moment of the Civil War came when Grant pulled out of the 2nd Wilderness battle, which was at best a stalemate, and headed the troops towards the enemy, not away, as had every previous commander of the Army of the Potomac. Grant had taken no less a beating than any other, but he refused to be defeated. Lee knew it was only a matter of time.

The scat & run elements around here today are all Hookers and McClellans. Thank God we've got a Commander in Chief who won't give in, and that translates straight down to the battlefield.

Dog, I'm surprised by your skittishness today. Fear not. Crises are also opportunities.

Nicollo unmasked: Bromleyisms here

43 posted on 04/08/2004 5:58:37 PM PDT by nicollo
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Marines battled insurgents firing automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades in continued heavy fighting at two mosques in Fallujah.

Tell me Ernie, why is there still a continued heavy fighting going on at these two freaking mosques, while we have billions of dollars worth of this really neat, modern air power just sitting there?

44 posted on 04/08/2004 6:06:53 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: nicollo
I was refering to the Siege of Vicksburg. 43 days with no one in or out. There were no horses, mules, chickens, dogs, cats or mice left to eat.
45 posted on 04/08/2004 6:20:54 PM PDT by stboz
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans; TexKat
"get real, as much as I would love to see it....we are NOT going to see a AC 130 tear apart a city...just wont happen"

SINO, next time take a minute and check your facts before posting such negative and false crap about our military.

Marines, Iraqis join forces to shut down Fallujah
"The Marines came under intense fire late Monday, with Iraqi insurgents firing mortars and rocket-propelled grenades at their positions from a mosque and from an open field."

"An Air Force AC-130 Spectre gunship, armed with a 105 mm cannon, was called in to push back the attackers, and no Marines were hurt."

The use of the AC-130 Spectre gunship on Fallujah and in other cities currently under siege has been reported in a number of mainstream media stories.

--Boot Hill

46 posted on 04/08/2004 6:24:08 PM PDT by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: TexKat
Militiamen Control Two Iraqi Cities

How did that happen, exactly? Did we not have U.S. personnel or units guarding these so called "high value" take over buildings? If we did, we weren't very well prepared. If we didn't, well, then they couldn't have been very important buildings.
47 posted on 04/08/2004 6:24:20 PM PDT by Bush Cheney
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To: Dog; MamaDearest; JustPiper; oceanview; Honesty; Indie; grizzfan; Domestic Church; Calpernia; ...
The following is a translation of a statement from the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigadesclaiming

Therefore, all cells are to be on alert. Action will start at (time and code given 45.15 = 4/5/2004?) – Do not forget to debilitate, do not forget Abu Ali al-Harithi and do not forget the Muslim scholar who was extradited to Egypt by Yemen, Shaikh Abd al-Qadir Abd al-Aziz (Sayyed Imam Sharif). He was imprisoned three months after the September 11 attacks.

We want to inform those who kill Muslim Sunni scholars (Ulamaa) in Iraq to come to a halt otherwise …

We would like to announce to all Muslims in the world that 90% of the preparations of operation "Wind of Black Death"

what I believe is referred to as the wind of black death

designed to be performed in America (I think on Americans in Iraq)has finished and will be performed soon, God willing (at the Mujahidin's convenience). Believers will celebrate the victory of God. Warning to the nation:- Avoid being close to the civil and military installations of America and its allies.

48 posted on 04/08/2004 6:32:59 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Boot Hill; stuck_in_new_orleans; TexKat
The AC130 may have been called in, and it may have fired...but if it had fired AT the enemy [in order to kill] then there would have been scores of blown apart islamonazis laying in the street. There were not. I would conclude it fired only to "scare" people back. It is, in fact, a PC police action we are now in, thanks to the political controllers. We need to ramp it back up to shock and awe and quit trying to make people like us.
49 posted on 04/08/2004 6:44:47 PM PDT by Indie (We don't need no steenkin' experts!)
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To: stboz
I was refering to the Siege of Vicksburg.
Yes, I know what you were referring to. Far more important than Grant's seige of Vicksburg was his determination to win, whatever the means. It took some ten different attempts to even get him to the point of that seige. He was considered insane for it by many, meanwhile, including among his own staff. Lincoln stood by him throughout.

The particulars of Grant's Vicksburg campaign are nothing compared to the force of will behind it, and his indomnitable belief in ultimate victory. He never gave up.

He could have, as many here preach. He did not. It's not a matter of any particular act; it's a product of his attitude.

This is no time to go wobbly.

50 posted on 04/08/2004 6:45:29 PM PDT by nicollo
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