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WHY IS THE WEST LOSING THE WAR ON TERROR?
Chronicles Extra ^ | 4/7/04 | Srdja Trifkovic

Posted on 04/09/2004 9:01:43 AM PDT by philosofy123

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Note the pattern? Ask questions to title the article. Questions direct thought.

Here are some better questions.

Is The Iraq War A Shining Moment Of American Power, Resolve And Compassion? Does The Iraq War Define The Beginning Of American Dominance Of The 21st Century?
61 posted on 04/09/2004 10:01:25 AM PDT by Owen
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To: philosofy123
Hey, you merely asked for my opinion, and I gave it to you.
62 posted on 04/09/2004 10:02:22 AM PDT by BSunday (This space left intentionally blank)
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To: tracer
The demonizing and slaughter of the Serbian people was done under Clinton. In the last few weeks a Christian pogrom has been taking place in Kosovo. Some 500+ homes burned, about 40 churches and monasteries burned and destroyed, some dating back to the 13th century. Albanian mobs beat elderly women and killed Serbs, and the Kfor had a heck of a time just hanging in there. At one point some of the peacekeepers were surrounded and had to call for help, which came in the form of helicopters dropping tear gas. They were clearly overwhelmed and at least ten were seriously injured, had to be carried out. Now there are about 4000 Serbian refugees living in tents or under the roofs of Kfor troops.

This is what Clinton left us to deal with, and most of Europe - since they all have troops there. But I am disappointed to see that Bush has not done anything to stop it or solve the problems there. Iraq is keeping us too busy I suppose.

It's not crystal clear to me that we are winning this war, not yet anyway.

63 posted on 04/09/2004 10:02:35 AM PDT by MarMema (Next Year in Constantinople!)
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To: MarMema
MarMema, YOU THE MAN!

I always love your comments. Some guys on this forum don't read much of history.
64 posted on 04/09/2004 10:03:47 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
the existence of the multi-million-strong Muslim diaspora in the U.S. and elsewhere... provides the terrorists with the recruits, the infrastructure, and the relative invisibility without which they would not be able to operate.

This needs to be emphasised!

We will not prevail in the WOT until we solve this problem.

65 posted on 04/09/2004 10:04:13 AM PDT by Gritty ("Islamic fundamentalism is a different and much fouler brand than Christian fundamentalism-VD Hanson)
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To: astounded
You are--alas--correct.
66 posted on 04/09/2004 10:04:55 AM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: boris
Bump
67 posted on 04/09/2004 10:08:44 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: SquirrelKing
Most phoenetic alphabets started off with just consonents and it's only a bastardized language like english which requires anything like the number of vowels which we use. Certainly nobody needs a vowel between a trilled r and a d.

Did you ever finish highschool?

68 posted on 04/09/2004 10:10:36 AM PDT by greenwolf
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To: Eva; dennisw
I don't see what the terrorists are gaining in the long run.

You have to look at the whole picture. In the late nineties, I spent time on the chechen-Russian border and learned a lot about islamic terrorists. I used to try to tell Americans about the threats ahead of us, but few really believed it then. That was pre-9-11.

If I think back to then and compare it to now, what I see is a lot more people in this country more aware, and some progress - such as in Afghanistan. But overall the attacks are worse and have progressed and in many places the terrorists have gained much stronger footholds, such as in Kosovo.

As much as I love the Russians, they are still in the trenches with the chechens. In the meantime, the terrorists have united all across the world, and Saudi money is converting Detroit, for instance, into an Islamic state. Out here in Seattle, and down in Portland, a lot of islamics are building and immigrating like crazy to up their ante in the population. We have our own Little Somalia here, and they are hate-filled toward America. I have met and spoken with some of these islamics at local fairs, where they have booths. They will tell you with a straight face that it was the Jews who took down the WTC and attacked the Pentagon.

I see Israel alone as having done some serious damage. But none of us are any safer now and in fact we are probably much less safe than we were then.

69 posted on 04/09/2004 10:12:19 AM PDT by MarMema (Next Year in Constantinople!)
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To: philosofy123
Reading bump for later
70 posted on 04/09/2004 10:13:13 AM PDT by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: greenwolf
Did you ever finish highschool?

Thanks for the lecture, poindexter.

71 posted on 04/09/2004 10:13:36 AM PDT by SquirrelKing (If your beer tastes heavy, your tongue needs exercise. - Newcastle Brown)
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To: philosofy123
Total crap....

But it must be true 'cause it's REALLY LONG!

72 posted on 04/09/2004 10:13:55 AM PDT by Bambino
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To: philosofy123
bump
73 posted on 04/09/2004 10:14:04 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Brad Cloven
we'll round up muslims and put them in internment camps (over the howls of liberals).

The ones that are left?

74 posted on 04/09/2004 10:18:48 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: SquirrelKing; greenwolf
Your post is a perfect example of what we are doing wrong. The terrorists are not making fun of each other, rather the chechens, bosnians, arabians, jordanians, etc, are all helping each other and working together.

Bush has the right idea but left out the Serbian people. At least he is listening to Putin. The Russians have been dealing with these people for about ten years now.

The terrorists are showing a lovely example of unity behind one cause. We would do well to follow it in fighting them.

75 posted on 04/09/2004 10:18:57 AM PDT by MarMema (Next Year in Constantinople!)
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To: MarMema
I'm not saying that terrorism is not a serious threat, but the country is at least putting up a fight, now. The repeated attacks have in fact rolled back the politically correct view of Islam as the religion of peace. Americans will not roll over and accept the threat. We are ready to figtht and that is a change in our favor. Much of the change is due to the attention that the terrorists have brought on themselves, that could not be covered up by the media, the way it was under the Clinton administration.
76 posted on 04/09/2004 10:19:30 AM PDT by Eva
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As per the suggestion which has been made on FR, I am now replying to all requests for aid by the RNC and various republican causes with a check for ten or twenty dollars (instead of the usual fifty or hundred) and the following letter:


Dear Friends,

I put a great deal of time, money, and effort into getting George W. Bush elected president in 2000, and am still willing to support the Bush re-election effort to the extent that I can.

Nonetheless, I had assumed that a number of the most perfidious policies of the Clinton administration would be ended if not in fact reversed under a Bush administration and, unfortunately, in too many cases, these policies simply roll merrily along as if nothing had changed or happened. One of these policies, in fact the one which I view as the most singularly perverse, is creating a competing claim on money which I have available for charities and political donations and, as such, is impacting my ability to donate to the RNC and related political causes.

In 1999, the armed forces of the United States along with a number of NATO allies, bombed a totally innocent Christian nation into the stone age for the benefit of a collection of muslim narco-terrorists, white trash, and savages, and their political organization which was and is basically a branch of Al-Quaeda. This, in my opinion, was mainly done to take articles about Chinagate and the Juanita Broaddrick story off the headlines of American newspapers.

The pentagon examined the handful of real-world/real-politik reasons why anybody might want to fight Serbia over Kosovo, found them wanting, and recommended against it. The Clinton/Albright team nonetheless went ahead with the operation regardless.

NY Times articles from the 1980s, i.e. from before there was any political axe to grind in the United States regarding the conflict between Serbs and Albanians, strongly indicate that the entire problem was always the Albanians and not the Serbs. Such articles are not difficult to find on the internet, for instance,

Http://www.srpska-mreza.com/ddj/Kosovo/articles/Binder87NYT.htm

notes that he genesis of the recent problems in Kosovo was Milosevic's rescinding the autonomy of the province in 89. Basically, he had to; every other ethnic group in the province was being brutalized by the Albanians.

Some typical highlights:

Ethnic Albanians in the Government have manipulated public funds and regulations to take over land belonging to Serbs. Politicians have exchanged vicious insults. Slavic Orthodox churches have been attacked, and flags have been torn down. Wells have been poisoned and crops burned. Slavic boys have been knifed, and some young ethnic Albanians have been told by their elders to rape Serbian girls.

Again, that is an article from the NY Times and not any European propaganda organ.

More recently, there have been savage pogroms in Kosovo with the intent of chasing all ethnic groups other than Albanians out of the province and destroying any orthodox Christian treasures which might remain in the province. New articles indicate that Russia alone of all nations is making serious efforts to aid the refugees from these pogroms, and that the US State Department is in the process of stopping aid to Serbia because of Serbian refusal to aid the so-called International Criminal Tribunal in the Hague, Netherlands.

Which brings up another sore subject which is related. Slobodan Milosevic, the former president of Yugoslavia, is being tried by this so-called ICTFY in the Hague, Holland, presumably for attempting to deport or ethnically cleanse albanian muslims from a Serbian province for barbaric conduct over a protracted period of time.

One assumes that the Dutch are practicing to try themselves for ethnic cleansing and genocide, snce they themselves are now beginning to expell large numbers of muslims, also for barbaric conduct over protracted time periods.

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2004/2/17502340-DA4E-4379-9982-AED6C77B315D.html
http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cgi-bin/showarticle.pl?articleID=1111&terms=

Somebody not tainted by political correctness might easily assume that barbaric conduct over protracted periods of time is a sort of an islammite specialty.

Now, one way to prevent yourself from being charged with hypocricy, is to start torturing people. For the same reason that nobody would ever charge Al Capone with shoplifting, nobody would ever charge somebody like Adolf Eichman or Joseph Mengele with hypocrisy. Thus it comes out that a prosecution witness in this trial of Slobodan Milosevic stood up in the courtroom and stated that prosecutors had attempted to torture an accusation against Milosevic out of him.

Http://www3.sympatico.ca/sr.gowans/markovic.html

Now, in an American courtroom, that would be the instantaneous end of the trial and the prosecutor's career (doing anything other than washing dishes in the courtroom cafeteria) right there. How an American government could in fact support such policies is no small mystery, particularly when you consider the fact that Americans soundly reject the entire premise of the ICC and have gone as far as to pass a law requiring the president of the United States to use military force to rescue any American being held by that "tribunal".

In other words, Holland would face the armed might of the United States military were it to try to do to any American what it is doing to Milosevic.

Aside from all of that, if the precedent of Kosovo is not reversed and quickly, the UN will shortly be here demanding that we hand Texas and California over to Mexico on the same basis. You can't simply take a territory away from the nation which has owned it for 1400 years and hand it over to a bunch of illegal immigrants living in the territory because they have temporarily managed to outbreed the rightful owners.

For that reason, and despite the fact that I am neither serbian, slavic, nor a member of the orthodox church, until American policy in the Balkans is reversed, I am viewing the Balkans situation as political issue #1, and orthodox charities are going to have priority over the RNC and all other charities and causes.

Like I say, I wish I had more money to give to your cause and, hopefully, in a couple of months, these policies might have been reversed and I will.

Sincerely,

77 posted on 04/09/2004 10:23:48 AM PDT by greenwolf
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To: Eva
True, but God help us if Kerry makes it into office.
78 posted on 04/09/2004 10:24:19 AM PDT by MarMema (Next Year in Constantinople!)
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To: MarMema
The same pukes we have fought alongside in kosovo... are the same ones attacking our men in Afghanistan and Iraq.

WE should pull nato out of kosovo, turn it over to milosivec and his followers... and send them money to get it over with.
79 posted on 04/09/2004 10:24:28 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: SquirrelKing
Did you ever finish highschool?

Thanks for the lecture, poindexter.

Here's another question: Is there any sort of industry in SC other than Class C fireworks?

80 posted on 04/09/2004 10:26:52 AM PDT by greenwolf
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