WHY IS THE WEST LOSING THE WAR ON TERROR?

IF we could let loose on the idea of bombing mecca and medina and just let it circulate around the me and EUROPE, maybe just maybe the muslimes might start giving a second thought about their plans for attacking the US.

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I'm satisfied that you sympathize with the Russian Communists who were the only allies of the Serbs during the Bosian and Kosovo events in recent years. When the former party members and KGB agents are removed from the Russian government (as were the Nazi party members after 1945), then you can tell me about all of the atrocities. Your Russian brethern wiped out nearly the entire middle class under Stalin and relocated the rest. The atrocities you mention pale in comparison to those of the Russians and their Communist allies in Serbia, China, and Cambodia. Too bad there are no monuments to the poor S.O.Bs slaughtered by the godless Communists.

Read this in the Encyclopidia Britannica about what the Serbs stole from Hungary in 1918.

Novi Sad is Hungarian Úvidék; City (pop., 1991: 180,000), Serbia, northern Yugoslavia.

The administrative capital of the autonomous region of Vojvodina, it is a transit port on the Danube River, northwest of Belgrade. Founded in the 17th century, it was part of Hungary until the formation of Yugoslavia in 1918. The city is an ethnically diverse agricultural center; its economy suffered badly during the 1990s Balkan upheavals.

--Another really good description of the events which led to Slick Clinton's temporarily handing the ancient heartland opf Serbia over to the Albanians--

Your reference fails to mention that Yugoslavia was created after years of Serbian Communist agitation before WWI and French collaboration at Trionon. The capital was in Serbia. The Yugo Army officers were (before the advent of rump-Yugoslavia) largely Serbian. Yugoslavia was nothing more than the long dreamed of greater-Serbia. Each of the captive nations and peoples of the former Yugoslavia deserve self-determination independent of the Serbian Communists led by Milosevic and his former-Soviet sponsors. Your support of Communists and artificial countries that ignore demographic realities astounds me -- especially reading your one-sided/leftist remarks on FreeRepublic.com.

The capital was in Serbia. The Yugo Army officers were (before the advent of rump-Yugoslavia) largely Serbian. Yugoslavia was nothing more than the long dreamed of greater-Serbia. Each of the captive nations and peoples of the former Yugoslavia deserve self-determination independent of the Serbian Communists led by Milosevic and his former-Soviet sponsors.

The capital was in Serbia all the better to rule and oppress the Serbs, the largest population of the former Yugoslavia. The Serbs didn't want the communists or Nazis. It was Britain and the US which helped raise Tito and gave terrific support to his Partisans under his rule. Britain and the US bombed Serbian civilians for him. Tito killed thousands of Serbs to make it to power in Belgrade, and killed thousands more once he had power.

The Serbs and their religion were suppressed by the ruling party - made up mostly of Croats and Slovenes - while mosques were built with great speed in Bosnia and Kosovo. "Yugoslavs" referred to those places as "Cape Canaveral" because of all the mosques, with their minarets, going up.

Kosta50, who is from Yugoslavia, said that Serbian enterprises and business were moved "brick by brick" to Slovenia.

There's much more Tito did to harm the Serbs. A few examples: The Serbs were never given an autonomous Krajina. Croatia was allowed to have Dalmatia and Slavonia which were never part of Croatia before the first Yugoslavia existed. Tito and the Communists created the Macedonia church, even though they were atheists, to create divisions. They allowed illegal immigration to Kosovo and had laws preventing Serbs who'd been ethnically cleansed and lost their property in WWII from returning.

Each of the captive nations and peoples of the former Yugoslavia deserve self-determination independent of the Serbian Communists led by Milosevic and his former-Soviet sponsors.

Do the Bosnian Serbs and Croats deserve independence from a Muslim-dominated Bosnia, as they wish? Do the Albanians in Macedonia deserve their own republic? Do the Hungarians in Romania deserve independence too?

Communism and Nazism were the plagues of the 20th century, destroying almost 200 million people, and Hungary took the active part in BOTH.

When you speak of Communism and it's crimes, you speak of Hungarian past, from the Communist beggining in 1919 to the bitter end in 1989. With the exemption of 1956 heroes, Hungary supported Soviets in all crimes, 1968 destruction of The Prague Spring being the worst. Not to mention being Soviet poodle in Foreign affairs.

The truth hurts, but you have to overcome it before you accuse others of Hungary's own sins.

Your idea that Serbian communists colluded with France in Trianon reeks of Nazi propaganda.

And your accusation that Serbs have stolen Vojvodina from Hungary is no different.

Vojvodina is abbreviation for Serbian Voivodship (Duchy), created by Emperor's Patent in November 1849 as a Crown region Vojvodstvo of Serbia and Tamiski Banat.

It's funny you accuse Serbs of being oppressor to others, when this is in fact Hungarian trait. For example, after WWI, both Hungarian and Serbian minorities were left out of the national borders. In Yugoslavian and Serbian state, Hungarian minority flourished, while Serbs and Croats in Hungary are almost all assimilated.

I do not know what is your real problem, but throwing mud is not part of solution.

>>>>>>Read this in the Encyclopidia Britannica about what the Serbs stole from Hungary in 1918.<<<<

Farkas,

Interesting, one can not steal what is legally his own property.

"First inhabitants were 12 soldiers stationed in Petrovaradin and 20 bakers, butchers and other craftsmen who provided services to the garrison from that time. It may be that the textbook of history of Novi Sad is not a voluminous book, in comparison to other European cities, but its has been - since 1694 when the rampart opposite the Petrovaradin Fortress was built, and around it, along the other bank of the Danube, where the river is the narrowest, the settlement of civilians started growing that was, at that time, called Petrovaradiniense or Rascianica civitas trans Danubium situata - written by constant struggle and aspirations for the advanced, useful, good and peaceful co-existence for the benefit of all its citizens, who were initially the Serbs, Germans, Jews, Greeks, Hungarians and Tzintzars.

Rascianica civitas trans Danubium situata.... translates into English as "Serbian town over the Danube river"

Furthermore...

"The delegation of citizens - Rackovic, Vujic, Bogdanovic, Raskovic, Hajl and Anderle - travelled to Vienna and borrowed money to pay for the Liberation Charter. The act of payment of 80.000 forints in silver meant that our ancestors, honoured merchants and craftsmen, bought independence and freedom and opened widely the gates to the development of their heirs. The loan was paid off in meadows and barren land that the city sold to its citizens.

On February 1st, 1748 the Empress Maria Theresa announced the proclamation of the "free royal city" which she named Novi Sad, in Serbian, or Neoplanta - in Latin, Uj-vidégh- in Hungarian and Neusatz- in German.

In spring 1748 Novi Sad started living on the basis of the model of other free cities from that period"

Serbs have bought the Novi Sad city land with their own money.

And you dare speak of stealing? I guess that is your Communist upbringing speaking.

Farkas, speaking of stealing:

"Serbian churches became either Catholic or Calvinist ones. The Hungarian population of the town had become predominant by the 20th century. In 1926 the Art Foundation started to influence the characteristic features of the town. After World War II, new factories were built to replace the old ones of the 19th century. One of the great events of the 80-es was the discovery of possibilities offered by tourism. Many small hotels, family boarding houses and restaurants await your visit."

Welcome to Szentendre, Hungary.

Projection is very predictable -don't accuse others for your own shortcomings.

You have started fresh on FR and managed to lose credibility in two weeks. Well, that's some kind of record I guess.

Your study and knowledge of Greater Serbia is well illustrated. However, you refuse to address the issue that Yugo/Serbian leadership is populated by Communists supported by Russian Communists. Your history lessons are incomplete when you fail to address the failure of Communism in Yugoslavia. Your numerous and lengthy replies are Clintonian as long as you try to attack me and ignore your support of the Communist leadership in Yugoslavia.

The Serbians may be decent people (suspect because they allowed Communist domination for years without rebellion). But clearly their Communist leadership needs to be opposed and eliminated. You may benefit from reading history written by those on the loosing side of various conflicts to round-out your knowledge of the Balkans. One should not lose from sight the astonishing fact that at no time during WWI did Austria-Hungary show signs of breaking up from inside, as its enemies had hoped. On the contrary, its various ethnic groups remained on the whole perfectly loyal, a large majority fighting gallantly under the common flag, despite all allied, and particularly Russian appeals to desertion. From the very first day of their occupation of the former Hungarian territories, the new rulers proceeded with the systematic destruction of the Hungarian ethnic minority, especially in the compact Magyar-inhabited areas contiguous with the Magyar area of Hungary along the entire Trianon frontier. They coerced many Magyars to leave their ancestral land and take refuge in Hungary, causing there an influx of 350.000 refugees thus increasing the immense burden upon Hungary's economy. The number of the remaining Hungarians was reduced by deportations, discrimination and economic starvation, harassment of all kinds culminating in actual massacres.

Not only Novi Sad, but a whole region in its vicinity was transferred from Hungarian administration to Serbian administration after WWI. Further west, the modern boarders of Croatia are wholly within pre-WWI Hungary. With the Padua Armistice, Hungary left the First World War in the fullness of its territorial integrity by 2Nov1918 not one enemy soldier had yet set foot on its soil. Unfortunately Ka'rolyi assumed, wrongly, that the Allies' signature constituted a sufficient guarantee for Hungary. Hence, through his War Minister, Wla Linder, he made the fatal mistake of thoughtlessly disbanding the then still intact Hungarian army, thus leaving the country defenseless overnight. Today, Hungarians outside of the modern boarders are routinely culturally persecuted by the leadership of those new administrations. The fact that Novi Sad has grown is a testament to the native peoples there, including the large ethnic Hungarian population.

Hungary was ruled by Communists for 133 days after WWI and ~1948-1989 while under Soviet occupation. In both cases, that rule was imposed by foreigners; unlike the case of the Communist Tito, Panslav propagandists (Masaryk and his circle), and his 19th century predecessors in Yugoslavia. In the 1956 rebellion, Hungarians found that many government officials carried Soviet passports.

Hungarian policy after Trianon focused on recovering the lost territory. Only the Germans seemed to be interested in righting the wrongs of Trianon. Yugoslavia, Romania and Czechoslovakia were created largely out of Hungarian territory after WWI as a result of years of Panslav Communist agitation. Thus, it is obvious that Hungarian foreign policy afterwards would be stridently anti-Communist. The fear of being subjected to Soviet style Communism was a great motivator for many on the Right. Lenin and Stalin were mass murders of their own citizens -- by numbers (if that is important) making the Germans look like amateurs.

All identifiable ethnic enclaves (including the ones you mention) should be allowed self-determination. The world would be better off with 1000s of peaceful countries in economic competition rather than sliding toward the Communist goal of a single super-state and single ruling party.

It must be a bitter pill for DTA to swallow that to write of the virtues of Serbia, he must defend godless Communists including those in the leadership during the Bosnian and Kosovo wars.