Scientific integrity and the gospel of Christ

WorldNetDaily ^ | 4/10/04 | Kelly Hollowell

[VadeRetro]

The author has virtually no understanding of biology.

She's rather pretty, though. Needs personal tutoring.

[VadeRetro]

It is my understanding that, while nutrients and other components pass from the mother's blood to the child's, and waste products pass from the child's blood to the mother's, their actual blood does not intermingle.

The placentum provides surface area for diffusion between the distinct bloodstreams, yes. I believe it's possible for Mom and kid to have incompatible blood types. The author is making a rather far stretch from this data point, however.

[VadeRetro]

Didn't see your reply before I posted mine. I didn't realize blood cells migrated across the barrier, although come to think of it that would seem to be necessary for oxygen transport.

[js1138]

Why can't you approach this discussion in a reasoned manner? Why can't you say you disagree with the premises that the article was written on?

It's not the premises that are the problem, but the observable facts.

[js1138]

Neither has a single important prediction of this theory been confirmed. Even worse, it contradicts multiple principles, including the first and second laws of thermodynamics and the law of conservation of mass.

These statements are simply falsehoods.

[VadeRetro]

Sorry guy! You had me going, but me right, you wrong.

At the placenta the fetal circulation comes close to the maternal circulation, but there is no actual contact or mixing of blood. Villi formed by the syncytiotrophoblast and cytotrophoblast project towards the maternal decidua basalis. The main shaft of each villus becomes anchored to the decidua basalis, while secondary villi project into the blood space of the placenta. The blood space is to some extent subdivided by placental septa which cause the fetal surface to form units, the cotyledons. The blood in the intervillous space is supplied by spiral arteries which provide a pulsatile flow of maternal blood. The blood flows through the intervillous space to be drained from the placenta by endometrial veins. The villi are supplied with fetal blood by branches of the umbilical arteries.

Placenta and Membranes.

[js1138]

I believe it's possible for Mom and kid to have incompatible blood types.

I don't think that blood cells normally cross, but Rh factor incompatibility often causes problems. It mom is Rh negative and the child is Rh positive, the mother may develop antibodies that can harm future Rh positive fetuses. Generally, however, this mixing of blood happens at childbirth and the antibody reaction is preventable by drugs given at childbirth.

Link.

[Barn Owl]

The four key observational successes of the standard Hot Big Bang model are the following:

# Expansion of the Universe

If the universe is all that exists, and, according to the "Big Bang Theory", the universe is continually expanding, then what is the universe expanding into?

Hmmmm???

Barn Owl

[VadeRetro]

I don't think that blood cells normally cross, but Rh factor incompatibility often causes problems.

Another one of those cases where, if we're talking about Design, it is a design that doesn't work perfectly, just well enough.

[keats5]

"It is my understanding that, while nutrients and other components pass from the mother's blood to the child's, and waste products pass from the child's blood to the mother's, their actual blood does not intermingle."

This is indeed correct. At least it was what I learned in my pathophisiology class while studying to be a nurse.

[tortoise]

Evolutionists and materialist presuppose a material universe with no possible explanations outside their realm of thinking.

Ermm... Are you saying that we don't live in a material universe? A material universe sounds like a pretty reasonable assumption to me. After all, there is a rather impressive amount of evidence that our universe is, in fact, material (e.g. this here computer). Proposing an "extra-universal" component is proprosing the addition of something for which there is no direct evidence (ignoring the definitional problems of "extra-universal").

[tortoise]

The gospel message of Christ ("love your neighbor," and Christ died for our sins) has absolutely nothing to do with science, and science has nothing to do with it.

Well, the "love thy neighbor" part is essentially math (IPD), but you are correct on the latter part.

[PatrickHenry]

At the placenta the fetal circulation comes close to the maternal circulation, but there is no actual contact or mixing of blood.

We're dealing with trivia here. True, the blood of the fetus doesn't literally circulate through the mother's body, and vice versa. However, both systems meet for exchange purposes at the placenta. That's what keeps the fetus alive. If it's a sufficient barrier to prevent Mary's sin from reaching baby Jesus, as the author claims, that's fine with me. But the mother's food and oxygen supply gets through to the fetus. That's what the placenta is all about.

[tortoise]

An assumption made by science for example is that the laws of on physics have not changed from the beginning such as the second law of thermodynamics.

"Thermodynamics" is actually a provable theorem in mathematics -- a necessary consequence of an entire class of systems in the abstract. It is not a Law of Physics in the same sense that, say, gravitation currently is. There is no reason gravitation has to be what we currently think it is from a theoretical standpoint -- we largely observe it to be so, and therefore is a weaker "law".

[VadeRetro]

I don't think it's supposed to be a sin barrier either. At least, I'd never seen that claim before today.

But your Kerryesque escape attempt does not hide that you were WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! Some ringleader you are!

[Junior]

Games theory. I hadn't considered that...

[TopQuark]

What is the relationship among these, please?

[TopQuark]

It's how the math works out. Mathematicians work with infinite series that sum to a finite value and other series that don't. The Big Bang is one end of an interval,

Sorry, I meant to be more specific: what is the relationship between (among) the ingredients here?

[PatrickHenry]

But your Kerryesque escape attempt does not hide that you were WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! Some ringleader you are!

That's okay. I don't have to be right all the time to retain my paramount position. Embryology was never one of my interests. I mean, besides this separate circulation stuff (virtually separate, that is) I never knew that the placenta was a sin barrier. These threads are very educational.

[RightWhale]

Mathematicians, and therefore physicists and cosmologists, view dimensions in a different light than the rest of us do. The Big Bang was quick, but the pace was quick, too. As much happened in the first 3 seconds as has happened in the universe ever since. It is useless to talk about the instant of the Big Bang since infinitely many things were happening in an infinitely short time. Talk of before the Big Bang is without meaning.