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To: gilliam
As well, at some point I'm assuming that the Iraqi's will get involved themselves. I know there are some anxieties about getting involved, but freedom cannot be maintained if there are not people willing to maintain it. It is not something that maintains itself. Rather, to the contrary.

It comes with a price, a cost that is high! Right now many Iraqi's no doubt still live in fear b/c of spies. But reports come outta there about how when the islamic terrorists start getting their arses kicked, that the local citizenry begins to provide intel, serious intel on the specific whereabouts of the losers.

So it's pretty clear that they want it. Freedom that is. They simply need some training on it and some comfort that the situation is really in hand. I'm sure that they are quaking at the thought of a Kerry presidency at least is not even moreso than we as honest, hard-working, and good and moral people in this country are!

3 posted on 04/11/2004 3:40:46 PM PDT by wingster
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To: wingster
As well, at some point I'm assuming that the Iraqi's will get involved themselves. I know there are some anxieties about getting involved, but freedom cannot be maintained if there are not people willing to maintain it. It is not something that maintains itself. Rather, to the contrary

Why don't you try examining the transformation of Japan from a religious dictatorship into a Democracy before you start posting that this is up to the Iraqis. It is not up the the Iraqis. It is,as it was in Japan, up to us.

At the end of World War II the vast majority of Japanese did not know what democracy, freedom, or self government even were. ... let alone have a desire for it. They did not know what self government was. They did know how to kill rape and maim millions. They had just spent 15 years doing it. Japan was a religious society that embraced its own racial superiority and the reward of heaven for suicide bombers. Ever hear of Kamikazis? There are a huge number of similarities between militant Japan and militant Iraqis. To expect any Muslim nation in the middle east to understand self goverment is just stupid. It would have been like expecting the Japanese to undestand self government at the end of WWII.

Yet General Douglas MacArthur as military ruler, turned Japan into a Democracy and solid stable nation in just a couple of years. We stayed for 7 but Japan was a stable nation in less than 2 years. We stayed for 7 years because many Americans were certain that the nation building of Japan was sure to fail. It was, in fact, a huge success.

Americans of European descent are not the only peoples fit for self government. All it takes to turn the Japanese or Iraqis into free peoples is education and the establishment of the rule of law. That will make them solid citizens of the family of nations.

People who post their veiled beliefs in the racial superiority of those of European decent try to veil their racism in statements like the "Iraqi's may not be ready for freedom." That makes about as much sense as saying that black American slaves in 1860 were not ready for freedom.

Freedom is not an inbred trait. It is learned. It is not genetic... it is taught... no matter how much the racists wish it were not.

8 posted on 04/11/2004 4:19:16 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: wingster
I think the major fear is we will not stay the course.

10 posted on 04/11/2004 4:30:33 PM PDT by gilliam
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