To: Sgt_Schultze
You are wrong on Martin Luther's and the Bible's teaching of the Sacrament of the Altar. Luther and Lutherans believe that the bread and wine are the body and blood of Jesus because He said so: "Take eat. This IS My body...Take drink. This IS My blood given and shed for you for the forgiveness of sins." This is the doctrine of the Real Presence and differentiates Lutherans from the Protestants who consider the bread and wine (usually grapejuice) as symbolic of His body and blood. The minister does not change bread and wine into the body and blood (transubstantiation), but Jesus declaring that it IS makes it so. And because it IS His body and blood, we must be penitent partakers because receiving it unworthily can damn instead of forgive.
To: kittymyrib
The minister does not change bread and wine into the body and blood (transubstantiation), but Jesus declaring that it IS makes it so. Just so there's no misunderstanding, Catholics believe that it is Christ, acting through the priest, who effects transubstantiation. This is true for all of the Sacraments,except for Holy Matrimony, where the couple effects the Sacrament.
60 posted on
04/12/2004 6:19:18 AM PDT by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: kittymyrib; Sgt_Schultze
Luther said that the Body and Blood of Christ was present 'in with and under' the bread and wine. Not that the bread and wine were symbolic, or changed to the Body and Blood. That is the difference for LCMS. It remains bread and wine, but the presence of Christ is there.
74 posted on
04/13/2004 8:23:34 AM PDT by
xone
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