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Lost Your Job Yet?
Computerworld ^ | April 12, 2004 | John Pardon

Posted on 04/12/2004 10:04:50 AM PDT by Mini-14

Frank Hayes' fears about techies bailing out of a declining American IT workforce are already being realized ["ITAA's Job Dream"].

I've done it. I concluded that IT is largely a dead-end career for Americans and opted out so that my wife could pursue advanced degrees in education and move up in a field that can't be so readily outsourced or filled by guest workers. I rebelled at my former employer's "wage compression," outsourcing and use of H-1B and L-1 visa holders.

One year ago, I resigned my IT job at NCR Corp., a Fortune 500 company based in Dayton, Ohio, because I was too disgusted and demoralized to continue working in a profession I enjoyed after my employer made it evident that American workers are disposable and replaceable no matter how loyal, productive, competent or well educated. I concluded there was no future for me at NCR or in IT. Like many other corporations, NCR was indifferent to its employees and American society. And, like many other companies, it has thoroughly embraced the policy of outsourcing.

NCR's outsourcing partners are HCL Technology and Saytam, which provide an IT workforce in India. NCR also has a contract with Accenture, and it has an Indian subsidiary that is also hiring a non-American workforce and isn't subject to American taxes or workplace laws.

Unlike Frank Hayes, I don't believe that it's widely possible to dodge the offshoring bullet by building up business skills and increasing face time with users. This sounds good, but techies are very busy with responsibilities. And I've noticed that IT writers seem a bit uncertain about how techies should remain competitive. Not long ago, we were being urged to gain new technical skills. How certain is anyone that broader business skills are now the answer to job retention? The truth is there really isn't much certainty regarding the actions to take or the skills to acquire to prevent outsourcing job loss. After all, many of us in the IT workforce have learned the indisputable truth that outsourcing and use of IT guest workers is really all about slashing labor costs, not increasing the quality of products and services.

I came to these conclusions long before the most recent ITAA study, which was the subject of Hayes' article. The public statements and actions of people like Harris Miller of the ITAA, Carly Fiorina of Hewlett-Packard, Sam Palmisano of IBM, and Lars Nyberg and Mark Hurd of NCR made it abundantly clear that there were declining opportunities for American IT employment. Many of us in the IT workforce saw the writing on the wall. I'm just more fortunate than most in that I was able to walk away altogether.

Though people like Miller and Fiorina deny it, America's displaced IT workers don't lack for skills or education. There is no urgent need for guest workers and no internal shortage of technically trained workers. Technology hasn't made American IT workers outmoded. Access to cheaper, more submissive and more manageable non-American labor has just made American IT workers undesirable and frequently unemployable.

I am not a person who expects others to manage my career or provide me lifetime employment. But on the other hand, I don't expect my government or powerful multinational corporations to conspire to undermine my employment opportunities and, more broadly, eliminate job opportunities for Americans. As I told Bob Herbert of The New York Times ["Dark Side of Free Trade," Feb. 22, 2004], I'm a moderate conservative now alienated from the Republican Party and the Bush administration because of free trade, outsourcing and the H-1B/L-1 visa programs championed by free-trade ideologues. People such as me are often disparagingly referred to as "disgruntled IT workers" by both politicians and many in the news media. Our arguments are dismissed as sour grapes and we are told to face reality. In other words, shut up and get another job because outsourcing will continue and it's part of doing business today.

The Visa Problem

Offshoring isn't the only way that American jobs are being eliminated. Many companies are also insourcing, importing low-wage, nonimmigrant H-1B or L-1 visa workers into the U.S. These visa programs are championed by people like Harris Miller and the member companies of the ITAA and are used by hundreds of multinational corporations intent upon cutting labor costs.

As with outsourcing, many in the media and politics make inaccurate statements regarding the H-1B and L-1 visa guest worker programs. These misrepresentations provoke frustration and anger similar to that evoked by the latest ITAA study. For example, The Washington Post's editorial "Cap on Hiring" states, "It isn't possible to argue that the holders of these visas bring down American wages. No one doubts that they do jobs for which there are clear, well-defined shortages of Americans." This is complete nonsense. Such statements are totally at odds with the reality of how these programs are used to replace American IT workers all over the U.S.

Some in Congress do believe there is a problem of job loss related to the H-1B and L-1 guest worker programs. On Feb. 4, 2004, the House International Relations Committee held a hearing called "L Visas: Losing Jobs Through Laissez-Faire Policies?" The testimony of Michael Emmons, Sona Shah and Patricia Fluno provided firsthand evidence of how L-1 visa programs are used by corporations to systematically replace Americans (and those who hold green cards) while abusing the imported visa workers. (A video webcast of the hearing is available.)

The H-1B visa program has long been used as a tool to facilitate outsourcing and circumvent the labor costs of American IT workers. Norman Matloff, professor of computer science at the University of California, Davis, has written extensively on this subject and testified before Congress about how the H-1B program has injured American IT workers. He is clear that the H-1B program is premised on misrepresentations and false studies. He has a new article on the subject in the University of Michigan Journal of Law Reform.

I have direct knowledge of these issues through my experience with outsourcing and guest worker replacement programs at NCR. I watched non-American (Indian) workers enter NCR facilities in the U.S. and receive "knowledge transfers" from American IT workers. Then the Indian replacement workers usually returned to India to do the work previously performed by the Americans who had trained them. On other occasions, the replacement workers remained in the U.S. on H-1B or L-1 visas and continued to perform necessary IT work in the same buildings in which the Americans had formerly worked.

This is not an urban legend; I watched it happen. It has occurred all over the U.S. Understandably, Americans who remain in IT jobs often work in fear of job loss since employers now have ready access to low-wage guest workers and have displayed a ruthless lack of concern for the American workforce. Most of us who have gone through this experience have finally realized that we are competing with a Third World wage scale while our employers continue to charge U.S. prices. It's not fair and it's not just, but thanks to the actions of the U.S. Congress and successive presidents, it is completely legal.

The Retraining Fallacy

Free-trade and outsourcing proponents publicly hold out the option of retraining into other professions, but these other professions are mostly unidentified. The reality, as I told Bob Herbert, is that there aren't any new middle-class postindustrial jobs for displaced Information Age workers. There are no opportunities to leverage our experience into higher-value-added jobs. Instead, there are persistent credible accounts of software engineers taking low-wage unskilled jobs just to survive.

Health care is often cited by outsourcing and free-trade proponents as an area in which new jobs are available. Free traders don't care to mention that many white-collar workers would see dramatic decreases in their earnings (wage compression) even if they could afford to undergo the time-consuming and costly retraining necessary to enter the health care profession. In any case, software engineers changing bedpans and giving injections would be a waste of resources and educational capital. What a loss of skills and knowledge to our economy! What a costly betrayal of workers!

There is no employment rebound for IT workers. Recent college grads or new entrants into IT can't even get jobs on help desks, which are now increasingly moving offshore. The reports from companies such as Challenger, Forrester and Gartner all point to increased IT outsourcing and use of IT guest workers. "Global competitiveness" sounds good in corporate boardrooms and political speeches, but the reality is that increasing numbers of American IT workers are suffering and losing confidence in our political and business leaders. We are locked in a merciless, unrestricted competition with low-wage workers of the developing world. This is ultimately an unwinnable competition. American IT workers, like many in the middle class, are learning that education, skill and hard work are no longer indicators of success. It's all about cheap labor -- a fact not lost on Harris Miller, Carly Fiorina, Mark Hurd and Sam Palmisano.

Global free trade is ultimately an emperor with no clothes. As Paul Craig Roberts has discussed in "Clarifications on the Case for Free Trade" and "The Harsh Truth About Outsourcing", the premise for free trade to be beneficial to all parties is that some comparative advantage must exist for all parties. This is not possible with the full worldwide mobility of labor and capital. The U.S., its workers generally and American IT workers in particular have no comparative advantage in the world today. Nations such as China and India command an "absolute advantage" over the U.S. This situation is more than just the result of what Frank Hayes calls the "ITAA's fumbled efforts to hype the benefits of offshoring," and if it leads to an IT staffing nightmare for American corporate HR departments, my response is, "You reap what you sow."

John Pardon is a former technical writer, software engineer and database administrator who has worked for a number of software development and IT corporations. Since his departure from NCR in early 2003, he has written on the topics of outsourcing and the H-1B and L-1 visa programs, inspired by his own experiences and those of other U.S. IT workers, notably Scott Kirwin, founder of the Information Technology Professionals Association of America, and Michael Emmons. Emmons' story was told in Computerworld's sister publication, CIO magazine [ "The Radicalization of Mike Emmons"]. Pardon can be contacted at jpardon@worldnet.att.net.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: aliens; employment; globallaborarbitrage; h1b; it; jobs; l1; offshore; outsourcing; techindex; trade; unemployment
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To: CyberCowboy777
In 2002, 39 states and the District of Columbia had personal income growth above the national average of 2.8 percent, according to estimates released today by the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis.

If you would more closely examine that 2002 BEA data, you will see that government sector worker income is responsible for most of the growth in per capita income, for most states and for the nation as a whole.

Non-government workers in some states (Colorado is one glaring example) experienced negative growth in per capita income, while government workers in the state experienced a per capita income growth over 8.5%.

121 posted on 04/12/2004 4:35:51 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: CyberCowboy777
Economically we are paying them slave labor rates, economically, from our prospective.

And when labor is cheap, inovation is not a priority, that is the only point. Dont get hung up on the word "slave".
122 posted on 04/12/2004 4:36:33 PM PDT by FoxPro (jroehl2@yahoo.com)
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To: meadsjn
That's because Colorado has one of the highest concentrations (per capita) of technology workers.
123 posted on 04/12/2004 4:38:28 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: Hatteras
I decided I want to be a bartender when I grow up.

A busy bar will do $6,000 to $10,000 per bartender on a typical weekend night. If your tip is 15% (and it's lots more if you are good looking or affable or just plain good) you take home $900 to $1,500 for that shift. Good bartending jobs are held onto by those who have them, generally. There are LOTS of MBA's in the bar biz who don't want to take a pay-cut to enter the corporate world. The downside is, who wants to be bartending when you are old(er)? Also, drugs abound in this milieu.

124 posted on 04/12/2004 4:40:36 PM PDT by gg188
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To: meadsjn
I not only posted the link, I mentioned the absolute growth of government.

There are weak spots - but the fact remains - personal income is on the rise.

I am not hiding anything and I would hope that everyone actually interested in the truth would read as much as possible. Who else here is actually trying to give facts?

And I stand by my statements - we are growing again. The I.T. Sector is not decimated and will/is rebounding. Outsourcing by the worst estimates I have found will only account for 400,000+/- jobs in the next 10 years - that is far less than the 500,000 loss from 2000 to 2003.

125 posted on 04/12/2004 4:43:40 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (We should never ever apologize for who we are, what we believe in, and what we stand for.)
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To: Mini-14
If you're not happy with your job, or your profession or your employer, don't sit around peeing and moaning and blaming others for your situation. Do something different. If you're not happy living in a capitalistic society, move to iraq
126 posted on 04/12/2004 4:46:20 PM PDT by paul51
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To: FoxPro
from our prospective?

They are not getting paid slave labor rates and they are not slaves. Look at the numbers.

http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/apr2004/sb2004041_5674.htm

The Indian developers would each be paid between $2,600 and $3,200 per month vs. 2,500 to $4,000 per month for American developers.

Do you have any other real numbers we can look at?

127 posted on 04/12/2004 4:47:38 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (We should never ever apologize for who we are, what we believe in, and what we stand for.)
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To: CyberCowboy777
When and where did I call for the involvement of the U.N. or ANY regulation or Involvement in the business of FREE men?

The U.N. is one of the prime proponents of free trade. Surely you're aware of that? You're on the same side they are.

I am quite alright with regulation against child labor. I am actually okay with tariffs. I am okay with regulation on trade when U.S. regulations limit productivity compared to business done in unregulated nations.

You're tying yourself in knots, Cowboy. China and India have high trade barriers - and we do not. You say you're OK with tariffs - why not apply tariffs to the offshoring of IT jobs?

Keep in mind that this is about much more than programmers. It is about the very nature of our economy. Do we wish to export value added goods, or not? Presently, most of our exports are agricultural products and various natural resources. We are net importers of every technological product except aircraft and aircraft parts.

As we squander our technological leadership, what do you suppose our national destiny will be?

128 posted on 04/12/2004 4:52:41 PM PDT by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: Poohbah
Deliver a better ROI than some guy in Bangalore does. That will end offshoring.

So, we simply use trade policy and the tax code - along with some tariffs - to alter the equation. Sounds like a plan!

As for what happens to anyone who does it...well, that wouldn't be appropriate to this fine board, now, would it?

What are you trying to say in this statement?

That I have a rather low opinion of those who send American jobs offshore. But then, Poobah, you already knew that - because you are an intelligent and perceptive individual. Just misinformed about free traitin'. :-)

129 posted on 04/12/2004 4:56:00 PM PDT by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: RockyMtnMan; meadsjn
http://www.aeanet.org/PressRoom/idmk_cc_colorado.asp

Colorado Springs was the fastest growing cybercity by employment, growing by 77 percent, adding 11,000 tech jobs between 1993 and 1998. The Denver metropolitan area grew by 63 percent, adding 27,600 high-tech jobs to its economic base between 1993 and 1998, making it the nation’s fourth fastest growing cybercity during the same period.



http://www.aeanet.org/PressRoom/idmk_cs2002_Colorado.asp

Despite the perception that Colorado’s high-technology industry hit rock-bottom in 2001, tech employment remained essentially unchanged at 183,600 jobs—a net loss of only 86 jobs compared to 2000. However, while the tech job loss news isn’t as dramatic as commonly believed, there was still a significant reduction in new hiring from the previous year when technology employment in Colorado grew by 17,000 jobs, according to Cyberstates 2002: A State-by-State Overview of the High-Technology Industry, a new analytical report released today by AeA, the nation’s largest high-tech trade association.


http://www.kiowacountypress.com/2004-02/02-27/Colorado%20Exports%20Jump%20In%202003.htm

Sales of high tech products once again dominated the top export categories, led by semiconductors, up 59% from $645 million in 2002 to $1.03 billion in 2003. The second largest export category, computers and peripherals, grew from $850 million to $909 million, for a 7% increase. Other major product categories, in descending order, included office machine components, fresh or chilled beef, scientific/measuring instruments, medical instruments, animal hides, aircraft/spacecraft, and photographic plates and film.

130 posted on 04/12/2004 4:56:32 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (We should never ever apologize for who we are, what we believe in, and what we stand for.)
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To: neutrino
Presently, most of our exports are agricultural products and various natural resources.

False.

131 posted on 04/12/2004 4:57:10 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: neutrino
No knots - common sense - You said to shut it down - I am against that.

The U.N. and I are not on the same page - but if you can't tell the difference, what good are my words going to do?

There is NO CRISIS and no need to panic or do stupid things like end all outsourcing.
132 posted on 04/12/2004 5:01:20 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (We should never ever apologize for who we are, what we believe in, and what we stand for.)
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To: CyberCowboy777
My russians are happy with $2000 a month, and that is for real cutting edge tech. That dosent include my cut which adds another 30%.

Again, dont get hung up on the word "slave". You will miss my point.

2,500 to $4,000 per month for American developers

If you can get an Oracle 9i developer for under $20 per hour in the US, than you need to pass their resume on to me.

133 posted on 04/12/2004 5:05:09 PM PDT by FoxPro (jroehl2@yahoo.com)
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To: neutrino
So, we simply use trade policy and the tax code - along with some tariffs - to alter the equation. Sounds like a plan!

Sure. Use government to artificially increase the price of your competition.

BTW, what's your take on agricultural subsidies? Should we eliminate them? Or should we expand them?

Hey, how about subsidies for smokestack industries while we're giving other people's money away?

Heck, let's give EVERYONE enough money to have an "above average income."

That I have a rather low opinion of those who send American jobs offshore.

In what sense are these jobs the property of "Americans?" Are they the property of the employers? Are the the property of the employees?

134 posted on 04/12/2004 5:05:37 PM PDT by Poohbah (Darkdrake Lives!)
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To: Mini-14
I have a suggestion for outsourced IT workers - and I am serious as the heart attacks it has engendered. Drop your specialties - and instead focus on the IT specialties necessary to outsource all the parasitical professions. If you can't beat'em, at least nuke the pooh-pooh-ers.
135 posted on 04/12/2004 5:07:09 PM PDT by guitfiddlist
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To: FoxPro
I did not just pull the number out of my ass - I sourced the number - Maybe they are lying?

Can I go to a website that quotes $2,000 a month? That is the lowest number I have seen.

A slave is a slave - I do not redefine words so that they can be used in propaganda. Are they slaves or not?
136 posted on 04/12/2004 5:10:04 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (We should never ever apologize for who we are, what we believe in, and what we stand for.)
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To: neutrino
2003 Exports of Goods (in Billions of Dollars)
Annualized based on Jan. - Oct. 2003

Food, feeds, and beverages: 53.5
Industrial supplies and chemicals: 173.2
Capital goods, except autos: 286.4
Autos and auto parts: 79.6
Consumer goods: 88.8
other: 33.0

137 posted on 04/12/2004 5:12:50 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Really? Let's look at some statistics, shall we? For part A: http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/Press-Release/current_press_release/exh11.txt For part B: http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/Press-Release/current_press_release/exh16.txt

Perhaps you should inform the Census department that they cannot figure imports and exports.  I'm sure they'll be grateful for the help!

    PART A: SEASONALLY ADJUSTED
   EXHIBIT 11. REAL EXPORTS AND IMPORTS OF GOODS, PETROLEUM AND NON-PETROLEUM
                       END-USE COMMODITY CATEGORY TOTALS
          (2000 CHAIN-WEIGHTED DOLLARS): JANUARY 2002 TO January 2004
     (In millions of dollars.  Details may not equal totals due to seasonal
      adjustment and rounding.  The values in this exhibit are subject to
    periodic change, reflecting revisions to the source information for the
                               monthly deflators.
                                       

Trade Balance

                   Total
                   Census                          Non-            Residual
Period             Basis (1)       Petroleum       petroleum       (2)

2002                                                                       

Jan.- Dec.          -521,472        -111,230        -408,126          -2,115
Jan.-                -38,527          -9,385         -29,237              94

January              -38,527          -9,385         -29,237              94
February             -41,068          -8,585         -32,206            -277
March                -40,658          -8,549         -31,821            -287
April                -42,716          -9,877         -32,724            -115
May                  -43,071          -9,617         -33,304            -150
June                 -43,617          -9,141         -34,273            -202

July                 -42,284          -9,309         -32,798            -177
August               -44,774          -9,443         -35,158            -174
September            -44,494          -8,903         -35,397            -194
October              -42,604          -9,874         -32,537            -193
November             -47,245          -9,512         -37,517            -215
December             -50,414          -9,035         -41,153            -226

2003                                                                       

Jan.- Dec. (R)      -572,564        -119,065        -448,891          -4,609
Jan.- (R)            -46,466          -8,986         -37,248            -232

January (R)          -46,466          -8,986         -37,248            -232
February (R)         -44,019          -8,631         -35,175            -213
March (R)            -46,886          -9,825         -36,681            -380
April (R)            -48,345         -10,360         -37,562            -423
May (R)              -49,931         -10,274         -39,218            -439
June (R)             -47,291         -10,512         -36,353            -426

July (R)             -47,183         -10,692         -36,053            -438
August (R)           -46,179         -10,176         -35,585            -418
September (R)        -48,893         -10,258         -38,224            -411
October (R)          -50,046         -10,212         -39,416            -418
November (R)         -46,835          -9,458         -36,970            -407
December (R)         -50,490          -9,680         -40,407            -404

2004                                                                       

Jan.-                -49,811         -10,106         -39,251            -454

January              -49,811         -10,106         -39,251            -454
February                                                                   
March                                                                      
April                                                                      
May                                                                        
June                                                                       

July                                                                       
August                                                                     
September                                                                  
October                                                                    
November                                                                   
December (R)                                                               
                                       
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Exports
                   Total
                   Census                          Non-            Residual
Period             Basis (1)       Petroleum       petroleum       (2)

2002                                                                       

Jan.- Dec.           698,239          10,353         687,875              11
Jan.-                 56,845             812          56,035              -2

January               56,845             812          56,035              -2
February              56,897             818          56,080              -2
March                 56,989             778          56,210               1
April                 58,367             818          57,548               0
May                   58,749             804          57,945               0
June                  59,121             781          58,339               1

July                  59,774             831          58,943               0
August                58,995             963          58,032               0
September             58,602             834          57,772              -3
October               58,334             868          57,466               0
November              58,716             899          57,816               1
December              56,850           1,147          55,689              14

2003                                                                       

Jan.- Dec. (R)       714,298          11,045         703,379            -125
Jan.- (R)             57,730           1,009          56,720               1

January (R)           57,730           1,009          56,720               1
February (R)          58,226             906          57,339             -19
March (R)             58,568             952          57,625              -8
April (R)             57,659             960          56,701              -2
May (R)               57,977             939          57,042              -4
June (R)              59,380             918          58,471              -9

July (R)              60,492             872          59,636             -16
August (R)            58,050             806          57,264             -20
September (R)         59,606             910          58,705              -9
October (R)           61,361             908          60,466             -13
November (R)          63,034             843          62,212             -22
December (R)          62,216           1,022          61,197              -4

2004                                                                       

Jan.-                 60,999             790          60,243             -35

January               60,999             790          60,243             -35
February                                                                   
March                                                                      
April                                                                      
May                                                                        
June                                                                       

July                                                                       
August                                                                     
September                                                                  
October                                                                    
November                                                                   
December (R)                                                               
                                       
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Imports
                   Total
                   Census                          Non-            Residual
Period             Basis (1)       Petroleum       petroleum       (2)

2002                                                                       

Jan.- Dec.         1,219,711         121,584       1,096,001           2,126
Jan.-                 95,373          10,197          85,272             -96

January               95,373          10,197          85,272             -96
February              97,965           9,403          88,286             276
March                 97,646           9,326          88,032             288
April                101,083          10,695          90,273             115
May                  101,820          10,421          91,248             150
June                 102,738           9,923          92,612             203

July                 102,058          10,140          91,741             177
August               103,769          10,405          93,190             174
September            103,096           9,737          93,169             191
October              100,938          10,742          90,003             193
November             105,961          10,411          95,333             216
December             107,264          10,182          96,843             239

2003                                                                       

Jan.- Dec. (R)     1,286,863         130,109       1,152,270           4,484
Jan.- (R)            104,196           9,995          93,967             233

January (R)          104,196           9,995          93,967             233
February (R)         102,245           9,537          92,515             193
March (R)            105,455          10,777          94,306             372
April (R)            106,004          11,320          94,263             421
May (R)              107,908          11,213          96,260             435
June (R)             106,672          11,430          94,824             418

July (R)             107,675          11,564          95,689             422
August (R)           104,229          10,981          92,850             398
September (R)        108,498          11,168          96,929             402
October (R)          111,406          11,120          99,881             405
November (R)         109,869          10,301          99,182             385
December (R)         112,706          10,702         101,603             400

2004                                                                       

Jan.-                110,809          10,896          99,494             419

January              110,809          10,896          99,494             419
February                                                                   
March                                                                      
April                                                                      
May                                                                        
June                                                                       

July                                                                       
August                                                                     
September                                                                  
October                                                                    
November                                                                   
December (R)                                                               
                                                 

(1) Detailed data presented on a Census Basis.  The information to convert to a
BOP basis is not available.
(2) The "residual" represents the difference between total exports or imports,
and the sum of the components in the table.

NOTE:  For information on data sources, nonsampling errors and definitions, see
the information section on page 26 of this release, or at
www.census.gov/foreign-trade/www/press.html or www.bea.gov/bea/rels.htm.
                                                 

SOURCE: Report FT900 (CB-04-38, BEA-04-10), Bureau of the Census, Foreign
Trade Division, January 2004.  For more information, contact Haydn R.
Mearkle (301-763-2246) or Nick Orsini (301-763-2311), Foreign
Trade Division.

 
 
                       PART B:  NOT SEASONALLY ADJUSTED
    EXHIBIT 16. EXPORTS, IMPORTS AND BALANCE OF ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY PRODUCTS
                          JANUARY 2002 TO January 2004
                                       
    (In millions of dollars.  Details may not equal totals due to rounding.)
                                       

Period                     Balance            Exports          Imports

2002                                                                   

Jan.- Dec.                   -16,584            178,567          195,151
Jan.-                         -1,176             13,605           14,780

January                       -1,176             13,605           14,780
February                      -1,541             12,959           14,500
March                            896             17,098           16,203
April                         -1,134             14,399           15,534
May                             -874             14,760           15,634
June                              43             16,414           16,371

July                          -2,102             14,859           16,961
August                        -1,416             15,130           16,546
September                     -1,994             14,841           16,834
October                       -1,663             15,729           17,391
November                      -2,971             14,623           17,595
December                      -2,652             14,149           16,801

2003                                                                   

Jan.- Dec.                   -27,410            179,787          207,196
Jan.-                         -2,354             13,069           15,423

January                       -2,354             13,069           15,423
February                        -626             13,703           14,330
March                           -795             16,039           16,834
April                         -2,579             13,867           16,446
May                           -1,831             14,095           15,926
June                          -1,775             15,293           17,068

July                          -2,977             14,629           17,607
August                        -1,703             14,456           16,159
September                     -3,919             14,960           18,879
October                       -3,511             16,287           19,799
November                      -1,922             16,672           18,593
December                      -3,417             16,716           20,133

2004                                                                   

Jan.-                         -1,975             14,719           16,694

January                       -1,975             14,719           16,694
February                                                               
March                                                                  
April                                                                  
May                                                                    
June                                                                   

July                                                                   
August                                                                 
September                                                              
October                                                                
November                                                               
December                                                               
                                                 

NOTE:  Data not available on a Balance of Payments basis.  For information on
data sources, nonsampling errors and definitions, see the information section
on page 26 of this release, or at www.census.gov/foreign-trade/www/press.html
or www.bea.gov/bea/rels.htm.
                                                 

SOURCE: Report FT900 (CB-04-38, BEA-04-10), Bureau of the Census, Foreign
Trade Division, January 2004.  For more information, contact Haydn R.
Mearkle (301-763-2246) or Nick Orsini (301-763-2311), Foreign
Trade Division.




138 posted on 04/12/2004 5:16:49 PM PDT by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: xrp
Uh, it isn't doom and gloom - it's happening and it's snowballing. It has consumed data entry jobs accross professions ranging from medical to clerical billing. It has taken the 1st and 2nd level IT desks of many outfits and will take part of third level that doesn't require hands on. To be frank, you're either a liar or don't know what in hell you're talking about and I don't know which.

I work for EDS at a desk that just basically finished outsourcing the IT information security division in advance of displacing the tier one desk. Request management will be gone in roughly another 6-7 weeks and they were notified last week. The first level desk was tasked through the tail end of last year with hurredly switching to software being used in India and coverting our knowledge base for presentation to that format; but, strategy changed prior to their notifying us and they decided to outsource to Mexico instead of india. If someone is telling you IT admin has to be done here, they're pulling your chain. I'm in the midwest. And nobody here is increasing staff. And because of that, displaced IT workers here have no where to go.
139 posted on 04/12/2004 5:17:07 PM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: CyberCowboy777
Despite the perception that Colorado’s high-technology industry hit rock-bottom in 2001, tech employment remained essentially unchanged at 183,600 jobs—a net loss of only 86 jobs compared to 2000. However, while the tech job loss news isn’t as dramatic as commonly believed, there was still a significant reduction in new hiring from the previous year when technology employment in Colorado grew by 17,000 jobs,

And for that year, there were 196,000 H1B tech workers per year being brought in, in addition to the unlimited (and unreported) numbers of H1B applicants that were exempted from the cap because they were solicited for positions in academia and government.

140 posted on 04/12/2004 5:18:18 PM PDT by meadsjn
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