[sauropod]

You would admit, however, that the effects of the Church commission and other things that fell out of the vietnam war era hamstringed our ability to gather intelligence? Particularly HUMINT.

[sakic]

You would admit, however, that the effects of the Church commission and other things that fell out of the vietnam war era hamstringed our ability to gather intelligence? Particularly HUMINT.

Of course.

And you would admit that our initial funding and training of Bin Laden and his followers, and support of Hussein also played a role in the WTC and terror in general?

Terrorists bent on our destruction murdered thousands of Americans. There is plenty of blame to go around but the bottom line is that Americans were murdered by Islamic nutcases.

Everyone who feels the need to say "it's his fault not his fault" is simply playing politics.