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An Unfitting 'Tribute' A cousin of Rachel Corrie responds to her critics
OpinionJournal.com ^ | 4/13/05 | BRIJ PATNAIK

Posted on 04/14/2004 2:03:36 AM PDT by Huber

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:06:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

On March 16, 2004, one year after the death of my cousin Rachel Corrie, James Taranto, in his Best of the Web Today column, called Rachel's nonviolent efforts to protest the Israeli military's actions in the occupied Palestinian territories an encouragement of a "culture of hate." Mr. Taranto referred to an op- ed piece by Ruhama Shattan, originally published in the Jerusalem Post and reprinted on this Web site, as a "clearheaded tribute" to Rachel.


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Corrie is, of course, the young American supporter of the Palestinian anti-US/anti-Israel movement who was allegedly run over by a bulldozer last year. I can admire Patnaik's desire to defend his cousin, and both Shattan's and Taranto's articles might reasonably be deemed "insensitive" to Corrie's friends and loved ones, but it is disappointing that he makes no acknowledgement that aiding and comforting the enemy or generally hanging out with terrorists might be morally wrong, harmful to society and downright dumb from a personal risk standpoint. Until these people begin to realize their mistakes, they will never move forward, "Up from Liberalism"!
1 posted on 04/14/2004 2:03:38 AM PDT by Huber
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To: Huber
Where is the barf alert?

As for Corrie - run in front of a moving, armored, bulldozer and just expect the driver can see you and will stop in time and you deserve no sympathy if he does not.

Ideology doesn't trump physics, no matter how much liberals wish it did.
2 posted on 04/14/2004 2:21:06 AM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: Huber; Alouette; Diogenesis; Yehuda; dennisw; Sloth; Simcha7; 2sheep; SJackson; yonif
Rachel Corrie was angry, frustrated and saddened by the conditions of the Middle East, but she refused to blind herself to them.

Uh, hello? She was obviously blind to the hazards of slipping in the mud while screeching at a bulldozer driver who can't even see her. Mr. Pancake er Mr. Patnaik, is there never any end to the Corrie family of 15-minute famers? No wonder the girl was so screwed up. Bet she's cursing the whole clan from her new digs. She surely wouldn't be blaming herself for her terminal stupidity.

3 posted on 04/14/2004 2:22:24 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Huber
Rachel repeatedly and unequivocally condemned the violent acts of both Palestinians and Israelis

That would be this Rachel Corrie?


4 posted on 04/14/2004 2:28:39 AM PDT by prion
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To: Thinkin' Gal
You can order the Rachel Corrie Memorial Concert CD with her picture on the spine.
5 posted on 04/14/2004 2:32:17 AM PDT by 10mm
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To: prion

6 posted on 04/14/2004 2:38:59 AM PDT by rdb3 (Diamond in the back, sunroof top, diggin' the scene with a gangsta lean...)
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To: Huber
BRIJ PATNAIK,

Better move along, before someone drops a bulldozer on you.

7 posted on 04/14/2004 2:43:07 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (If you believe Rachel was a nice girl, I've got a BRIJ to sell you.)
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To: rdb3
Oh jeez. I made it through the morning without having to clean the monitor. Until now...
8 posted on 04/14/2004 2:45:09 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Huber
Rachel was not killed by an Israeli bulldozer.

She committed suicide by bulldozer, by ignoring her responsiblities to her self, such that she educated herself on "soil mechanics."

Soil mechanics --- she failed to study that at university, where she would have learned how the earth moves.

She placed herself too close to the bulldozer, and when it moved, the earth around it was displaced, as earth around bulldozers usually is.

When the ground sank around Rachel's footing, she lost her footing --- she had placed herself in a position where she would lose her footing.

She placed herself in harm's way.

When the bulldozer backed up, Rachel, without sufficient footing, slipped rapidly down under the front of the bulldozer. As she passed under the blade are and its supporting mechanisms, she banged her head against the bulldozer.

It was a mortal blow.

The bulldozer did not kill her.

The bulldozer did not run over her.

The bulldozer did not "crush" her.

The bulldozer did not attack her.

She, knocked her noggin' against it, but she did not survive her impact.

Her body had no signs of high-pressure displacement of human fluids that always result from severe mechanical displacement.

She was not in the tread path of the bulldozer.

Even given the soil mechanics that provide some elasticity, in contrast to a bulldozer clanking down a paved road, the pressures are so great, in the region of the tread path, that living, and even dead, tissues "give up" their fluids.

That did not happen to Rachel Corrie.

She had a head injury and bleeding from the nose; all signs indicating an unhappy shock to the brain.

9 posted on 04/14/2004 2:48:29 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: First_Salute
Thanks for clarifying. I should have spelled out the meaning of "allegedly" in this instance!
10 posted on 04/14/2004 2:59:14 AM PDT by Huber (If Catholics voted per the teachings of the Church, there would be no abortion in the US!)
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To: First_Salute; dennisw
Soil mechanics --- she failed to study that at university, where she would have learned how the earth moves.

She placed herself too close to the bulldozer, and when it moved, the earth around it was displaced, as earth around bulldozers usually is.

When the ground sank around Rachel's footing, she lost her footing --- she had placed herself in a position where she would lose her footing.

Good post. Of course, normal people tend to have the basic intuition to stay far far away from the path of a bulldozer, and therefore would not need to study soil mechanics. I've wondered if her injury was not necessarily fatal, but rather her fate was sealed by those who found her to be more useful... dead. Maybe is was an instantaneous fatal head wound, but if not, it possibly became one through lack of proper medical attention.

11 posted on 04/14/2004 3:21:04 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Thinkin' Gal
She surely wouldn't be blaming herself for her terminal stupidity.

She should be blaming her parents. Someone fostered the liberal environment she grew up in. Her teachers at Evergreen bear a lot of responsibility as well. I have often compared Corries parents to the parents of John Walker Lindh..

12 posted on 04/14/2004 3:33:47 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Terrence Maculiffe-Ariolimax columbianus (hint- its a gastropod.....)
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To: Huber
The photo sequence is out on the Web, and it's an absolute lie that she was "crushed" by the bulldozer. Close up photos show her body being embraced by her cohorts, there is no visual evidence of broken bones or blood or dirt on her clothes or anything else.

What seems clear from the sequence is that she was struck in the head by a piece of concrete rebar, as in the beginning photos she's shown standing on a pile of broken concrete with many long exposed rebar pieces sticking up from the rubble, several at the height of her head. Presumably one of these snapped under pressure (yes, from the bulldozer she was confronting) and unfortunately hit her fatally in the head.

Next her body is shown lying in the dirt path of the dozer, but clearly not in the track left by the bulldozer. She was not "crushed".

And again, the only visible wound throughout all of the photos is a large gash across her head, presumably the one and only fatal wound she suffered. Certainly the graphic photos in the hospital do not show the doctors working on anything more than this facial/head wound.

Corrie's was the kind of construction accident that happens in America on a regular basis, when people act without care around heavy machinery (indeed I witnessed a similar accident while working construction in my college years).

That her supporters can take obvious photographic evidence and convince themselves she was "deliberately crushed" speaks only of their ability to indulge in massive self-delusion fueled by hate.
13 posted on 04/14/2004 3:34:58 AM PDT by angkor
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To: cardinal4; dennisw; Yehuda
Every picture of the parents is downright nauseating. They have that, "Woe is me I'm a poor hapless liberal victim of everything" contorted brain dead expression on their faces. It's the kind of expression that makes a normal civilized person want to slap the offal out of them.

The blood of their daughter is on their hands, as well as the ISM and every other person or organization who promotes this vapid ignorant ideology of death. That said, Miss Corrie still should have had the sense to stay away from this sort of preventable head wound. Notice that no Palis were harmed in this incident. Rachel Corrie, dumber than a Pali. That's dumber than dumb alright.
14 posted on 04/14/2004 4:51:17 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: rdb3
Oh My God!
You Killed Kenny Corrie,
You bast THANK YOU!

:-)

15 posted on 04/14/2004 4:53:59 AM PDT by Condor51 ("Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments." -- Frederick the Great)
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To: Huber
Corrie celebrated her ethnicity by burning a (poorly drawn) U.S. flag in the filthy streets of some palestinian slum.

I won't miss her.

16 posted on 04/14/2004 5:00:30 AM PDT by LibKill (Yep, we are cowboys. WYATT EARP cowboys.)
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To: First_Salute
You are, of course, correct.

(But it sure puts a damper on the pancake jokes.)
17 posted on 04/14/2004 5:06:06 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Rachel Corrie, dumber than a Pali. That's dumber than dumb alright.

Correct, no one has made mention why an American died, while the palis stood around and watched. Maybe they are not so dumb after all..

Naw....

18 posted on 04/14/2004 5:07:01 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Terrence Maculiffe-Ariolimax columbianus (hint- its a gastropod.....)
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To: Huber
F=MA. But what are laws to liberals?
19 posted on 04/14/2004 5:09:43 AM PDT by guitfiddlist
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To: Huber

20 posted on 04/14/2004 5:09:45 AM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:xYcnHzBJo08J:web.grinnell.edu/sandb/archives/
volume120/23/sports/tennis.html+%22BRIJ+PATNAIK%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

 

The author of this opinion piece....... 

Brij Patnaik '05 returns a serve in practice. Patnaik defeated Ryan Derks of Central College 6-4, 7-6 in his number four singles bracket and Grinnell defeated the Dutch 4-3 for their fourth straight win.

21 posted on 04/14/2004 5:44:31 AM PDT by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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To: angkor
Close up photos show her body being embraced by her cohorts, there is no visual evidence of broken bones or blood or dirt on her clothes or anything else.

I'm aware of only one photo sequence of Rachel and a bulldozer and that was taken days before the incident occured. Its some morbid "Oh look at what the Jews did to me!" indie film desire which came true.
22 posted on 04/14/2004 6:01:35 AM PDT by lelio
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To: angkor
And again, the only visible wound throughout all of the photos is a large gash across her head, presumably the one and only fatal wound she suffered. Certainly the graphic photos in the hospital do not show the doctors working on anything more than this facial/head wound.

In other words, if she had followed standard construction site protocol and had worn a hard hat...


Evergreen Activists: Wear your safety equipment!

23 posted on 04/14/2004 6:26:10 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Yep. We're sitting in traffic so they can fund the Public Transportation Utopia...)
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To: Huber
What kind of a name is "Brij Patnaik"? I think you're making this up, Huber!
24 posted on 04/14/2004 8:03:32 AM PDT by Tax-chick (See baby pictures on the Tax-chick page!)
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To: lelio
I'm aware of only one photo sequence of Rachel and a bulldozer

Well there is (or until recently, was) a very morbid photo sequence of her actual death, about 8-10 photos in sequence, including the facial wound and the morgue.

I didn't bookmark it nor would I post the address if I had it.

25 posted on 04/14/2004 9:25:20 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Askel5; presidio9; RightOnline; TheBigB; veronica; threat matrix; Redcoat LI
Ping

Sorry for posting the copyrighted Gettys.

Innocent mistake.

More than happy to continue discussing the intifada gang member Rachel Corrie.
26 posted on 04/20/2004 5:24:44 PM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank
On an earlier thread you suggested Corrie was knowingly protecting tunnels that the Arabs were using in conjunction with terrorist activities. Can you please verify that?
27 posted on 04/21/2004 7:32:19 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9
http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/127420.php

Rachel Corrie, One Year Later
by Steven Plaut • Thursday April 15, 2004 at 10:23 PM


"The one-year anniversary of Rachel Corrie's demise has arrived."

Rachel Corrie, One Year Later
By Steven Plaut
FrontPageMagazine.com | April 13, 2004


The one-year anniversary of Rachel Corrie's demise has arrived.

For those whose memories fail them in this matter, let me refresh things.
Rachel Corrie was a young fanatic college student from Washington State,
who decided she could make the world a better place by showing her
solidarity with Middle East terrorism and Palestinian mass murderers. She
joined the International Solidarity Movement, a communist-anarchist group
who openly support Palestinian terrorism. Corrie set up shop in the Gaza
Strip, where she and her ISM comrades spent their days trying to harass
and provoke Israeli troops and interfere with Israel's anti-terrorist
military operations. They would set up obstacles on roads to prevent
Israeli troops and vehicles using them and otherwise assist and defend the
terrorists.

In one such confrontation, Corrie was trying to block an Israeli army
bulldozer that was knocking down homes of terrorists and buildings hiding
tunnels through which weapons and explosives were being smuggled into the
Gaza city of Rafiah from Egypt to Palestinian mass murderers. Corrie and
her ISM comrades wanted to help protect the Gaza tunnels, and to protect
the "right" of Palestinians to continue to mass murder Israeli civilians.
In the confrontation, Corrie put herself in a position where the bulldozer
driver could not see her, and she was dragged under the heavy machine.
She died in a PLO ambulance or hospital shortly thereafter. The ISM then
issued a host of "eyewitness" reports about the accident, claiming it was
in fact cold-blooded murder, which turned out to be fabrications. The
simple fact of the matter was that Corrie had figured the Israeli
bulldozer driver could be cowed into backing off if he saw her blocking
his access to the terrorist house, and she probably even figured the
operator correctly, except he did not see her from his limited-visibility
window on the rig.

Ever since her stupidity led to her death, Rachel Corrie has become the
matron martyr saint for the pro-terrorism Left around the world, the Jean
D'Arc of Palestinian terrorism. Her ISM friends declared she was
"murdered" intentionally by Israel. Her death has been exploited by the
Bash-Israel movement and by anti-Semites all over the world, as a means to
delegitimize Israel. The PLO adopted her as mascot, declaring that she
died "fighting Israel's security fence", and never mind that the building
of the security fence was begun only well after she was dead.

After Corries demise, other ISM pro-terrorists were also injured when they
put themselves in the middle of firefights, triggered by PLO assault
teams. Like Corrie, they were injured and one died trying to protect those
terrorists from Israelis shooting back. In another fatal incident
involving an ISM member (Tom Hurndall), the ISM led a world-wide campaign
to demonize the soldier who shot the pro-terrorist interfering with a
military operation. The soldier was an Israel Arab Bedouin patriot serving
in the Israeli military.

Corrie's own parents have gone on their own revenge-jihad against Israel,
touring the world to fan the demonization of Israel, and representing
daughter Rachel as a "victim of Israel's illegal occupation."

They and other ISM supporters have been organizing a boycott of the
Caterpiller Corporation because it sells machines to Israel, including the
one with which Corrie chose to play "chicken" a year ago. All this reminds
me of those people who sue McDonald's because they are obese. In their
anniversary statement, Rachel Corrie's parents declared that Rachel
"believed that the nonviolent activism that she was doing and supporting
would make not only Palestinians but also Israelis and Americans more
secure-- by supporting Palestinians who practice nonviolent rather than
armed resistance."

But Rachel and her ISM friends believed in nothing of the sort and were
doing nothing of the sort. The ISM should probably stand for "I Support
Murderers." The official ISM web site endorses "armed struggle" by
Palestinians, which means random mass murders of Israeli children and
other living things.

Corrie died as a result of her own obtuseness. She was in Gaza to help
promote Palestinian terrorism and to prevent Israel from protecting its
own citizens. She died protecting the illegal tunnels into Gaza from
Egypt, through which the suicide bombers obtained their materials. The
most lasting images of Corrie was of her face contorted with rage as she
burned an American flag. When Reuters reported that Palestinians
"honored" her after her death in a "symbolic funeral" by flying US flags,
James Taranto from the Wall Street Journal remarked that if Corrie were
still alive, no doubt she'd have burned the flags. Even the Far-Leftist
Mother Jones magazine considered her a dangerous and deluded little twit .
The Israeli army investigated the death and concluded that Corrie had
effectively committed suicide. Taranto also suggested that Corrie be
awarded the "Idiotarian of the Year Award". A Darwin Award is in order.

The ISM is not simply an innocent, if evil, fringe debating society.
Within Israeli territories, its members have actively collaborated with
terrorists. They hid weapons and wanted terrorists in their offices. The
local ISM offices hosted two Moslem suicide bombers from the UK, who had
entered Israel as "peace activists", and who then blew a Tel Aviv bar to
smithereens the next day. The ISM is so closely coordinated with the PLO
that it is for all intents and purposes a PLO front group. More recently,
ISM trouble makers have been trying to sabotage Israel's security fence,
lest the fence prevent some Palestinian mass murderers from conducting
atrocities and blowing up Israeli children and other civilians.

Yet despite the open endorsement of terror by ISM, it continues to enjoy
US tax-exempt status as a "charity" and continues to enjoy gifts of
megabucks from the usual culprits who fund the hate-America left. The
liberal press continues to coo over the ISM as if it were a "peace group".

The Israeli government has been too pusillanimous and cowed by its fear of
bad press to send the ISM pro-terrorists a-packing. While the ISM
demonizes Israel, the very fact that it has been allowed to continue to
operate its provocations within Israeli-controlled territory attests to
how liberal and tolerant Israel has been. It is no coincidence that the
same ISM people protecting homes of suicide bombers in the Gaza Strip and
West Bank would never dare place themselves in jeopardy by blocking, say,
US troops arresting Saddam Hussein in his Tikrit rat-hole or by protecting
al-Qaeda or Taliban facilities in Afghanistan, or the terrorist
headquarters in Fallujah, Iraq. The Corrie parents are not urging other
deluded young undergraduates to rush to Fallujah to defend the homes of
Iraqi terrorists under siege by American GIs to protest American
"occupation" of Iraq. The ISM designer-jean "revolutionaries" and
mall-Marxists would be mowed down mercilessly if they tried interfering
with anti-terrorism operations anywhere in the world but in Israel.

In the past year Corrie and the other ISM supporters of terror who got
themselves injured fighting for Palestinian terror were beatified
constantly by the Western media. The Europeans and the American liberal
newspapers continue to commemorate Rachel Corrie through attacking Israel
every time it tries to deter terror by knocking down the home of a suicide
bomber or by tearing down houses protecting smuggling tunnels or Gaza
rocket production workshops. (Over 200 Palestinian rockets were fired
into Israeli civilian areas from the Gaza Strip last year alone.)

Shortly after Rachel Corries death, columnist Dennis Prager wrote: "So,
Olympia, grieve for Rachel Corrie's parents, but spare us the hagiography.
Rachel Corrie died fighting for the International Solidarity Movement, a
Palestinian group dedicated, in its own words, to armed struggle against
Israel. She ended up being a useful idiot for, and one more victim of,
Palestinian terror." Nothing could sum things up better.

28 posted on 04/21/2004 11:51:23 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank
Sorry, can you provide a credible news source that says Corrie was knowingly defending terrorists?
29 posted on 04/21/2004 11:54:31 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9
You, sir, are an ignoramus to doubt that she was in bed with terrorists.

No more "answering a fool according to his folly" for me.
30 posted on 04/21/2004 11:57:16 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank
You, sir, are an ignoramus to doubt that she was in bed with terrorists.

I have no interest in proving otherwise. I would just like to see some verification for what you are saying. If there were even a shred of truth to what you were saying, it would have appeared either in a credible conservative publication, either here or in Israel. Honestly, I hope you find something, because it would make all of the celebration over the death of a human being (no matter how odious) seem somewhat less creepy. Until then, only an ignoramus cites non-accredited sources as fact.

31 posted on 04/21/2004 12:01:42 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: prion
Nice post. A pic is worth a thousand words. The cousin can't be blind, because he speaks like someone right out of the pic.
32 posted on 04/21/2004 12:03:11 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: presidio9
You pose an interesting question. How would one go about obtaining evidence that Corrie defended Pallies, and despised her country, other than photos? Perhaps a diary?

I am sure you are aware the Pallies awarded her parents with a memorial, yes?

33 posted on 04/21/2004 12:04:59 PM PDT by Shryke
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To: Huber
Hatred--the emotion Mr. Taranto and M. Shattan are so eager to attribute to Rachel--can arise from frustration and repression, but far more frequently, I think, it comes from thoughtlessness.

I have to differ, here. I think hatred, and anger, come from fear. Rachel's actions brough aid and comfort to people who are killing others, and those others have a rightly legitimate reason to hate her, her because she and her actions were one.

34 posted on 04/21/2004 12:09:02 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Huber
It appears that being delusional runs through this entire family tree.
35 posted on 04/21/2004 12:13:34 PM PDT by wjcsux (DemocRATS, Vladimir Lenin's "useful idiots".)
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To: Shryke

That's not what I am really talking about. Fishtank and I got into this on another thread. My point is this: Obviously, I don't agree with people like Corrie. As a matter of fact, I used to be mildly amused by these threads. But, as I started to think about the fact that there has been over a year of gloating celebration of a pretty gruesome death, I have started to get somewhat put-off by it. I am not even saying that she didn't get what she deserved. I just question how long we can go on celebrating it.

Personally, I think Rachael Corrie was an idiot who made a series of very dumb mistakes. Fishtank says that she was knowingly protecting underground tunnels used for terrorist activity. I have no idea which is true. If there were any veracity to what Fishtank is saying, it would have surfaced somewhere because a lot has been written about this story.

36 posted on 04/21/2004 12:13:35 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: Huber; HenryLeeII
Where's that insider troll when you need it?  Oh well, here goes...
 
How insensitive you all are!  I knew Rachel Corrie and she was a wonderful, kind warm loving person. 
She was a typical teenager, spending weekends at the mall, looking at cute boys, roller blading and playing with her beloved collie, Sparky (known as Yasser in later years).
Sometime in the second half of her sophomore year, she became seriously ill after eating some bad falafel.  After a slow, rocky recovery in the hospital, some of us who were closer to her noticed a slight change in her behavior.  She'd taken to wearing a muslim headscarf and was fond of yelling "THE AIR STINKS OF JEWS!" during periods between classes.
Then there was the labyrinth of tunnels she dug under the school to get her from one class to another and to her locker.  Unusual indeed, but certainly not making her worthy of the ridicule she's received here.
By the time she was a senior, she was well known for lying down in the school driveway and blocking the paths of school busses on muslim holidays.  In fact in our yearbook there's a full page spread of her hilarious antics during Ramadan and a truly memorable photo of her slicing her face open for Ashura.
 
To us, she seemed like a normal, well adjusted teenager, with parents who fully supported her self expression.
 
When I saw her flattened like a bag of pudding in the mud of Gaza, I was stunned.  "Certainly this can't be the 'Rabid' Rachel Corrie I knew from highschool!" I yelled.
 
You should all be ashamed of the comments you've made surrounding the death of this promising individual.

Owl_Eagle

" WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH"


37 posted on 04/21/2004 12:43:20 PM PDT by South Hawthorne ("Worst idea I had since I picked the fight with that kid outside of the Karate School.")
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To: Owl_Eagle
Am I supposed to put out the "Insider Troll" PING now??
38 posted on 04/21/2004 12:47:16 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: Huber
Brij???
39 posted on 04/21/2004 12:51:11 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Politicalmom
I was thinking of pinging hellinahandcart myself, but I view it as only an average effort on my part.  I was hoping for something more to work with when I got here.

Owl_Eagle

" WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH"


40 posted on 04/21/2004 12:51:52 PM PDT by South Hawthorne ("Worst idea I had since I picked the fight with that kid outside of the Karate School.")
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To: presidio9
It’s been widely reported that a tunnel terminated in the house, you could find multiple sources, but to my knowledge that’s never been stated by the IDF, and is largely irrelevant.

The existence of terrorist activity in the Rafah camp is well known, it’s a primary entry point for arms from Egypt. Buildings in the security zone (runs along the Gaza-Egyptian border, it’s illegal to build there to begin with) are used as tunnel endpoints, for storage, as bombmaking facilities, and for sniping at IDF soldiers patrolling the zone. The ISM inadvertently acknowledged she was in the zone when they published the diary of one of her companions.

At the time the IDF was engaged in the demolition of buildings in the zone. Whether there was a tunnel there, a sniper, an arms cache, or nothing is irrelevant. IMO, it’s impossible she didn’t know she was interfering with a military operation, or that terror activities were being conducted in the vicinity. If she didn't, she was incredibly naive, not unheard of in human shields.

41 posted on 04/21/2004 1:40:23 PM PDT by SJackson ( Every generation of Jews has to learn its own Aleph Beis. Ours...to learn how to shoot, Abba Kovner)
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There were no tunnels under the house . . .

Nor any claim that I can remember that there ever was. Israeli forces bulldoze homes of known terrorists -- whether there are illegal tunnels under them or not -- buildings in which terrorist activities are believed to have taken place, buildings under which there ARE illegal tunnels, and nowadays, buildings along the border which MIGHT CONCEAL illegal tunnels. Regarding this latter category, Israel has knocked down row after row of buildings along its border, both before and after Corrie's death.

Israel has a right to secure its borders. If this incident had happened here, we'd all be talking about imminent domain.

So Corrie's cousin is lying. And he knows he's lying. "Oh, those evil Jews killed my sweet little cousin FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER, because there were no tunnels under that house . . . " It's this kind of deception we've come to expect from leftists, and because of it we can be confident Patnaik hates America and her allies just as much as Rachel ever did.

42 posted on 04/21/2004 1:52:54 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: SJackson
It’s been widely reported that a tunnel terminated in the house, you could find multiple sources, but to my knowledge that’s never been stated by the IDF, and is largely irrelevant.

Again, I have yet to see that information reported in a credible site, not that I am saying it hasn't been, just that I like to verify my facts. But I'm not even saying that the tunnel didn't terminate in the house. What I am saying is that even if the tunnel DID terminate there, I find it hard to believe that Corrie knew about it, or that the Palestinians would trust ANY American enough to share that information with her. I stand by my belief for now that she was a stupid person who made a series of dumb mistakes. As such, her death is not worthy of the continued gleeful attention that it gets.

43 posted on 04/21/2004 2:02:06 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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If she didn't, she was incredibly naive, not unheard of in human shields.

bingo

44 posted on 04/21/2004 2:03:52 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9
My concept of "naive" doesn't encompass adults who hand-draw pictures of their own national flag so they can scream and set fire to it for the news cameras.
45 posted on 04/21/2004 2:14:29 PM PDT by prion
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My concept of "naive" doesn't encompass adults who hand-draw pictures of their own national flag so they can scream and set fire to it for the news cameras.

Do you think people deserve death by bulldozer for that transgression?

46 posted on 04/21/2004 2:18:29 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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Again, I have yet to see that information reported in a credible site, not that I am saying it hasn't been, just that I like to verify my facts. But I'm not even saying that the tunnel didn't terminate in the house. What I am saying is that even if the tunnel DID terminate there, I find it hard to believe that Corrie knew about it, or that the Palestinians would trust ANY American enough to share that information with her. I stand by my belief for now that she was a stupid person who made a series of dumb mistakes. As such, her death is not worthy of the continued gleeful attention that it gets.

I’d agree about the gleeful attention. I don’t know if there was a tunnel in the house. Since the IDF never stated that, I’d guess there wasn’t, though really I don’t see it as an issue one way or another. She knew she was interfering with a military operation, there were two tanks on the scene providing cover for the bulldozer, and I can’t imagine she didn’t know about terrorist activities in the neighborhood, she was living there. It’s likely she was stupid, naïve or both, and made a series of mistakes, it’s also possible she was a partisan, no way of knowing. I’m not sure it’s a joking matter in either case. Nor is she an object of adoration.

47 posted on 04/21/2004 2:20:59 PM PDT by SJackson ( Every generation of Jews has to learn its own Aleph Beis. Ours...to learn how to shoot, Abba Kovner)
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Do you think people deserve death by bulldozer for that transgression?

No more than I think people who smoke deserve lung cancer, but risky behaviors sometimes have nasty consequences. Corrie had more Darwin Award about her than tragic heroine.

48 posted on 04/21/2004 2:22:44 PM PDT by prion
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To: Huber
These threads remind me of the Palys who jumped for joy after 9/11. The girl was a dolt, used by the Palys, don't fall to their level. These threads are repulsive.
49 posted on 04/21/2004 2:27:00 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: prion
So do you celebrate and post pictures of tumors when you hear about people getting lung cancer?
50 posted on 04/21/2004 2:33:40 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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