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OKC BOMBING FALLOUT: 9-11 panel confronts Freeh on Iraq link
worldnetdaily.com ^ | Posted: April 14, 2004 | worldnetdaily.com

Posted on 04/14/2004 7:21:18 PM PDT by ovrtaxt

Sept. 11 Commission testimony by former FBI Director Louis Freeh yesterday lent credibility to a theory that Iraq was behind the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, according to an investigative reporter whose new book on the subject was addressed at the hearing.

Jayna Davis, author of "The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing," told WorldNetDaily Freeh's "carefully parsed" response to a question about her findings "expressed his belief that the book is a credible source."

The new release by WND Books presents substantial evidence of Iraqi involvement and a refusal by federal government agents to investigate the bombing that killed nearly 170 people in April 19, 1995.

Davis repeatedly has tried since 1997, with no success, to convince the FBI to examine her investigation.

Yesterday, however, Lehman brought the issue before the 9-11 Commission with the former FBI director on the witness stand.

LEHMAN: One last question. The Oklahoma City case – again, one of the criticisms has been that one of the problems of the case law approach to intelligence is that, once you focus on a convicting particular terrorists, that there has to be a hypothesis of the case and that's where all of the investigative resources are put in. In the case of Oklahoma City, the hypothesis was that there were two Americans and they acted alone. There's a new book out now, as you probably know, called The Third Terrorist, that has new information that begs for further investigation showing the links or purporting very significant links between Terry Nichols and Ramzi Yousef in the Philippines, and also links between the two perpetrators and Hussein al-Husseini, the Iraqi, perhaps, agent. Are you satisfied that you ran all of these potential Al Qaida links to ground with McVeigh and Nichols?

FREEH: Well, other than that book, which I haven't read, you know, I don't know any other credible source with respect to that kind of a link. No, I have not run those links myself. I certainly was not aware of them when I was FBI director. I know that there is a review going on with respect to some of the matters that have been raised by his attorney in connection with the state murder prosecution that's ongoing. I guess I don't want to say anything with respect to that case as it's being tried now by a judge and a jury. But I don't know of any connections, except the one you've just mentioned, between Ramzi Yousef and that terrorist act.

Davis noted Freeh was careful to say he knew of no other "credible source," instead of dismissing the premise of the book outright.

"I find it very encouraging," she said, "because every time the FBI has been asked to officially comment in any fashion about my research, we have the same canned response that the Department of Justice is confident that all those responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing have been arrested, charged and prosecuted."

Or we hear, she continued, "that the FBI dedicated an untold number of resource and manpower into the largest criminal investigation of the 20th century and turned up no credible evidence of a Middle East connection."

Freeh's response, Davis emphasized, is "huge."

"He would not rule it out," she said.

Davis said it's possible Freeh was not aware during his time as FBI director of any credible sources linking Iraq to the bombing.

"It was my impression he was being sincere," she said. "According to my sources in the FBI, he was last to know anything."

Davis's reporting was vetted by former CIA director James Woolsey and given credibility by the U.S. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals last April when it dismissed a lawsuit filed against her after finding "defendants did not recklessly disregard the truth" in reporting on an Iraqi soldier's alleged involvement in the bombing.

"After eight years of oppressive litigation, the courts have vindicated my work ethic as a dedicated journalist," Davis told WorldNetDaily at the time. "The lawsuit was obviously designed to silence a legitimate investigation into Middle Eastern complicity in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing."

In an interview with WND in October 2001, attorney David Schippers, who prosecuted the House of Representatives' impeachment case against Bill Clinton, said his examination of the evidence Davis presented him was conclusive.

"I am thoroughly convinced that there was a dead-bang Middle Eastern connection in the Oklahoma City bombing," he said.

Read WorldNetDaily's extensive coverage of the Oklahoma City bombing case.


Jayna Davis's blockbuster – "The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing" – is available now from the source, WorldNetDaily. Order today and qualify for three FREE issues of WND's acclaimed Whistleblower magazine.

Get your copy of "The Third Terrorist."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911commission; christianpatriot; davidschippers; fredthompson; iraq; jaynadavis; louisfreeh; militiamember; okcbombing; oklahomacity; paranoia
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To: ovrtaxt
yeah, and what do you wanna bet that this clown was probably into Waco right up past his eyeballs.
81 posted on 04/14/2004 9:41:25 PM PDT by Cheapskate ("Citizens are not sheep to be shorn, or fields of corn to be harvested"Gary Aldrich)
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To: ovrtaxt
"Sure the 911 commission is a witch hunt..."

It's a white-wash, not a witch hunt. No one (elected or burearcrat) will suffer any repercussions other than a few negative articles being printed about them.

Remember the Waco or Ruby Ridge hearings? This is more of the same (talk, talk and more talk until everyone is tired of talking and/or hearing).
82 posted on 04/14/2004 9:52:56 PM PDT by Veracious Poet (Cash cows are sacred in America...GOT MILKED???)
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To: expatpat
June 9, 2001 | The main thing Joann Van Buren says she remembers about Timothy McVeigh is the $50 bill he wanted her to break. That, and the two men who accompanied him.

One day before he tore a hole in the nation's psyche with the bomb that destroyed Oklahoma City's Murrah Federal Building, McVeigh, Van Buren says, pulled up to the little Subway sandwich shop where she worked in Junction City, Kansas, driving the yellow Ryder truck that would contain the bomb.

Van Buren didn't pay any particular attention to them at first. Another clerk waited on the men, but when they tried to pay for their meal with a large bill, she took notice.

"As soon as the $50 bill came up, I had to go to the safe to get the change," says Van Buren today. "And when I gave them the change and they got their sandwiches, I remember them going back over to the corner, sitting down. And when they left, I remember three people getting into the truck. There were three people at the table."

The clerks she worked with later told FBI agents that two of the men matched the descriptions of McVeigh and his cohort, Terry Nichols. The third was a shorter, dark-haired and muscular man with an olive complexion: a perfect fit for the figure destined to be known as John Doe 2.

Luckily, the Subway shop actually had a video camera recording that day's events. When Van Buren contacted the FBI, agents interviewed everyone working in the shop on April 18. And when they were done, they confiscated the video recorded that day.

And never to be seen again...

The mystery of John Doe No. 2

Shouldn't someone ask about that video???

83 posted on 04/14/2004 10:02:51 PM PDT by Shermy (The only aid the UN would bring to Iraq are paper shredders)
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To: Think free or die; oldngray; xkaydet65
Terry Reed and John Cummings, Compromised: Clinton, Bush & the CIA, SPI/Shapolsky, 1994.
84 posted on 04/14/2004 10:04:02 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: potlatch; MJY1288; justshutupandtakeit; Happy2BMe; Lancey Howard; onyx; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; ...
Andreas Karl Strassmeir and Timothy McVeigh were seen at a strip club in Tulsa called Lady Godiva's eleven days before the bombing.

A security tape shows Shawn Tea Farrens discussing accepting the invitation from them to "fool around with tonight."

Shawn was found dead in her apartment at age 23, ruled a suicide, shortly after the existence of the tape became known.

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, The Secret Life of Bill Clinton: The Untold Stories, Regnery, 1997, pp. 87-88.

The FBI refused Angela Finley's urgent request that Elohim City be raided after confidential informant Carol Howe's report.

Strassmeir returned to Germany without being questioned about his continued association with McVeigh despite repeated denials.

Evans-Pritchard notes Clinton got an eleven-point boost from OKCBomb.

Hate radio and Rush Limbaugh--not Iraqis and islamoterrorists allied with the Aryan Nation with some German intel and FBI bungling tossed into the Veg-O-Matic.

Eyewitnesses did not see either a John Doe Number Two in Oklahoma City nor a missile the following year in New York.

We return you now to Seinfeld, an existence about nothing.

85 posted on 04/14/2004 10:22:42 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Well, there is actually a little more. A couple Airport Security people snuck through stuff a few times and even made a video showing how they did it as proof of bad security; a warning. And they kept warning that Logan was ripe for an incident. Finally, they sent the video to Senator Kerry's office begging him to look at it but NOT to give it to the Airport head, because that's where the laxity was. Kerry of course sends off a letter saying that he gave it to the airport head and also he never followed up. Logan was eventaully used by one of the hijackers. I listened to the security man who made this video tape on a talk show the other night where he was discussing it.
86 posted on 04/14/2004 10:25:29 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: Libertina
Thanks!
87 posted on 04/14/2004 10:41:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: OKCSubmariner
Murrah bombing bump!
88 posted on 04/14/2004 10:44:04 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace (Michael <a href = "http://www.michaelmoore.com/" title="Miserable Failure">"Miserable Failure"</a>)
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To: Rebelbase
Actually the person that Jayna DAvis names in her book (and named in her reporting) was a fellow by the name of Hussain al Hussani....But perhaps this was one of the multiple other foreigners that McVeigh was seen with. I have just finished reading The Thirs Terrorist and between Davis's work and that of Laurie Mylroie all I can say is we should have bombed Iraq out of existence LONG ago
89 posted on 04/14/2004 11:31:15 PM PDT by jnarcus
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To: MJY1288
All true and it is waell documented in DAvis's book The Third Terrorist Get it read it pass it along maybe that will help our country
90 posted on 04/14/2004 11:32:33 PM PDT by jnarcus
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To: PhilDragoo; Overtaxed; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Capt. Tom; Shethink13; TrueBeliever9; MJY1288; ...
A couple of things to note from this thread:

Lehman seems the only commissioner who is doing his job. He posed good questions to Dr Rice, and now he brought up the OKC bombing. Let’s see if he can get it into the final report as well. I wouldn’t bank on it, but if he does that might provide an opening for a new look at the case.

Then someone already mentioned earlier on that a lot of the people who worked on the case are still there (in FBI), and they won’t be very helpful - which may be one of the reasons why the present administration hasn’t been able to do much about it.

Just to show how defensive these large government agencies can be here are some quotes from Ronald Kessler’s 1992 book: Inside the CIA:

”It began on March 1, 1981, when the New York Times Magazine ran an excerpt of Claire Sterling’s book The Terror Network: The Secret War of International Terrorism, which suggested that the Soviets were providing the weapons, training, and sanctuary for terrorists as part of the Soviet effort to undermine Western democracy. The CIA never said anything like this. Casey wanted the agency’s analysts to follow up and discover if Sterling’s facts were right. The CIA director had long suspected that the Soviets were in control of world terrorism, using thugs from all over the world as a front for their own devious purposes.

What came out in the form of a draft estimate was ambiguous and not at all what Casey had wanted. According to those involved in preparing the estimate, the evidence available to the CIA at the time did not support Casey’s or Sterling’s views.

”It was a question of semantics,” says David H. Whipple, later national intelligence officer for terrorism. ”He [Casey] would say, ”They [the Soviets] support them, and therefore they are responsible.” We would both go before a congressional committee. Casey would say, ”They are responsible”, and go back to work at noon and leave me to face the committee in the afternoon. I would try to erase what he said, because I was trying to differentiate between Soviet support for national liberation struggles and actual direction of terrorist activities.

”There was pressure internally to say more than we could professionally justify, and most of us resisted that”, Whipple said. ”Casey was on the right. An NIO can’t be as forward leaning as he was... Everything you say has to be supported by intelligence. You can’t sit there and interpret facts. Casey had a way of going beyond that sometimes”. Whipple said that despite more recent revelations of East-bloc support of terrorists, ”I don’t think they’ll ever prove the Soviets instigated actions of terrorism, but they certainly supported people and groups who did engage in terrorism.”

”The analysts were afraid they would be accused of engaging in some political act”, said Adm. Bobby R. Inman, who was deputy director of Central Intelligence at the time. The first draft bent over backward to avoid that. In any intelligence report, you identify assumptions, It said there is no conclusive evidence that this or that. I read it and put a note on it saying, ”This sounds like the prosecutor’s argument on why he decided not to prosecute the case.”

Casey was more blunt. He wrote on the draft, ”This is a bunch of shit.” According to Inman, Casey was concerned more with the lack of logic and flow than with the conclusion.”

Ok, this speaks for itself; Casey and Sterling were right, as has been shown by all the intelligence gathered after the fall of the Berlin wall and the disappearance of the Soviet Union, but there are two points I would like to make:

The culture of an organization can be just as difficult to combat as a real cover-up. Casey was a very strong-willed man, and even he had difficulties getting correct information. A much less hands-on boss (eg Freeh) would never get to see reports that didn’t fit the policy of the agency.

Secondly, history does repeat itself. Sterling’s book was savaged by left-wingers and sadly denigrated by CIA analysts. And despite the policies of the President and Casey, the USA was never on a war footing even though a war was waged against the West.

It should be a task for the 911 Commission to discuss how much this lack of understanding regarding the terrorism in the 70s and 80s allowed the subject to be forgotten during the 90s (and treated as criminal not political acts) and thus helped to enable never previously seen attacks on the US mainland.

91 posted on 04/14/2004 11:35:59 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: jnarcus
I will,

thanks

92 posted on 04/14/2004 11:49:08 PM PDT by MJY1288 (When Faced With a Choice as Simple as Night or Day, John Kerry Chooses Dusk and Dawn)
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To: Zack Nguyen
Who is the picture on the left?

Jose Padilla

93 posted on 04/15/2004 12:57:38 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: ScaniaBoy; MeekOneGOP; dennisw; SJackson; JohnHuang2; TrueBeliever9; Salem; Sanch; B4Ranch; ...
"It should be a task for the 911 Commission to discuss how much this lack of understanding regarding the terrorism in the 70s and 80s allowed the subject to be forgotten during the 90s (and treated as criminal not political acts) and thus helped to enable never previously seen attacks on the US mainland."

Ping on #91.

S.B. brings out some excellent points regarding the stance our gubmint has taken towards (Islamic) terrorism over the past THREE DECADES.

And we can see where the "politically correct" tip-toeing got us > > 9/11.

I hear the phrase "WAR FOOTING" beginning to come up regularly in the 9/11 hearings and it being used as a crutch of deflection against blames by each of the administrations.

Anyone have the aptitude of a 7th grade junior high student knows and understands that these "terrorists" are comprised of Muslims.

How many "terrorist" groups have run down the streets in broad daylight with world media coverage, whipping their backs till they bleed and cutting their scalps with knives until they can't see to walk from being blinded by their own blood all while screaming "Death to America?"

Right.

These hearings have great potential to finally expose the true roots of just who it is or who "they" are behind this Holy War.

The history of sweeping the problem under the rug by refusing to admit and attack the root of terrorism against America (Islamic fundamentalism) spans at least THIRTY YEARS.

94 posted on 04/15/2004 1:27:00 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: PhilDragoo; MeekOneGOP; JohnHuang2; TrueBeliever9

"Evans-Pritchard notes Clinton got an eleven-point boost from OKCBomb."

Eleven-Point Boost ping.

95 posted on 04/15/2004 1:40:07 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: Happy2BMe
Thanks for the bump.

I agree fully with your points (Muslims), but what I also wanted to point out was that terrorism in any large scale needs a large support organization - in almost all cases this is provided by a state or states.

Very few did understand (or wanted to understand) this during the 70s and 80s. The notable exceptions were Ms Sterling, Robert Moss (journalist for the Daily Telegraph, later novelist), Bill Casey, Mrs Thatcher and The President (in my mind Ronald Reagan will always be The President) -

- and the Israelis, especially after the 1982 invasion in Lebanon when they recovered on so much first hand evidence.

Of course the policies of President Reagan and Mrs Thatcher caused as an added bonus a stop to the funding of the terrorists, who then had nothing to rely on except money from drug trade and other criminal endeavors.

But the fact that the cold-war doves never were forced to go back and question their faulty analyzes during the previous 4 - 5 decades made the growth of the Islamic terrorism almost inevitable.

And this is the thing to remember - even such a low-tech deed as the WTC attack needed lots of training, coordination and money. It just wouldn't have been possible without support and safe havens in countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and possibly Saudi Arabia (although the support from Saudi Arabia may be more of a kind of blackmail ransom; the Saudis are paying to various Islamic causes just to be left in peace).
96 posted on 04/15/2004 3:22:57 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Libertina
Finally, they sent the video to Senator Kerry's office begging him to look at it but NOT to give it to the Airport head, because that's where the laxity was. Kerry of course sends off a letter saying that he gave it to the airport head and also he never followed up.

Cool. I knew there was something there that I forgot! Okay, I take it back-- KERRY ACTIVELY ENABLED THE 911 TERRORISTS!!

97 posted on 04/15/2004 4:00:39 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.Jack Handy)
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To: MJY1288
Clinton took the easy road out in the OKC bombing. It was easier to blame a right winger than to investigate any possible link to AQ or Iraq. We've seen over and over again that Clinton was afraid to confront terrorism and deal with its attackers. He passed on OBL for crying out loud! So Clinton doing nothing about an attack here in the US should not surprise anyone. The man wanted to be everyone's friend- accept the American people.
98 posted on 04/15/2004 4:09:30 AM PDT by rintense (Now I know why liberals hate guns... they keep shooting themselves in the foot!)
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To: ScaniaBoy
Thanks for backing up and giving the big picture a look. When one considers the overall problem as a whole, the individual incidents don't seem so 'conspiracy theory-ish'.

The problem many people have with topics like this is the apparent lack of credence that politicians and traditional news outlets will give it.

But remember who these elitist snobs are. It's certainly not in their interest to pursue such streams of thought. The overriding principle is the acquisition of control over free people.

Those who dare to bring up such subject matter tend to wind up dead, or discredited.
99 posted on 04/15/2004 4:15:41 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.Jack Handy)
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To: Shermy; Alamo-Girl
Your# 85..........

Luckily, the Subway shop actually had a video camera recording that day's events. When Van Buren contacted the FBI, agents interviewed everyone working in the shop on April 18. And when they were done, they confiscated the video recorded that day. And never to be seen again...

Hmmmmmmmmm.........ALL 'UFO' video tapes (pictures) are confiscated.......project 'Pink Book'...?

:-)

/sarcasm

100 posted on 04/15/2004 4:25:11 AM PDT by maestro
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