[epigone73]

Jocon:

i think you miss my points.

1) The battalions question; how large was the Wehrmacht versus, say, the Belgian army? And who came out on top? When the Allies -- Brits, Americans, Russians -- got into the game, the Krauts were no longer the biggest gang in Europe, and went down in defeat. in war, power is everything;

2) Atheist? "Twice on Shabbas," I said. And does an atheist accuse his civilization of selling its soul. My point is that the Modern west is atheist, on principle, these days, although the instinct was there from the renaissance.

Of course there is a G-d, and one of my points is that, having secured power at the cost of our eternal damnation, we might at least use that power to save our lives for a little while yet.

No atheist, me.

[jocon307]

Well I'm very glad to hear you are not an atheist. Now it can be told: I think all atheists are fools.

It's still not accurate what you say about battalions, the Americans, I guess I should say Colonists, won the revolution.

I'm not sure we've sold our souls, I think we tainted them in the garden of eden. What's always interested me is how if you watch sci fi it always takes a pretty conservative view on the unlikelihood of the perfection of life.